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  When is the next parts release?
 
Even without Steve going over the 30+ parts ready for him to certify, this looks to be the biggest release ever in terms of total file count. If all the redone primitives get certified, that will at least another 15 files that were already certified (...) (23 years ago, 12-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Implicit face winding (was: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives)
 
(...) My bad- I guess I wasn't following the thread closely enough. (...) If I understand correctly, that doesn't really work for a huge percentage of parts. Parts will often have two surfaces in a row that both face away. Look at the breakdown of a (...) (23 years ago, 12-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Implicit face winding (was: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives)
 
Tony Hafner wrote: > In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Kyle McDonald writes: >> >>Well I don't know that I thought it would be 'minimal' effort. I'll >>bet it would be a lot of work for parts that are already done. I >>did think that it wouldn't be that (...) (23 years ago, 12-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Implicit face winding (was: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives)
 
(...) I recently went over some old primitives and brought them up to BFC certification. I found it very handy to have the flexibility of doing it whichever way had more "correct" surfaces. It wouldn't be so bad if Notepad had the ability to reverse (...) (23 years ago, 12-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
Hi Travis, (...) Well I don't know that I thought it would be 'minimal' effort. I'll bet it would be a lot of work for parts that are already done. I did think that it wouldn't be that bad for new parts, because I figured the author knows best what (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
(...) Despite being the author of a rendering program, I agree with this whole-heartedly. Each rendering program only has to get it right once, during the initial coding. If we make it easier for the program, but harder for part authors, the part (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: review: Radeon 7000 for BrickDraw3D, low-end Mac
 
(...) Cool! If you can clearly show where you make the changes, I might be able to port this back into the other versions. I've never been all that happy with the rendering speed myself. You can see in the code where I tinkered a bit with display (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) "marking up" would be better done by machine algorithm, and would encompass the Connection Point proposal at the same time. It would indeed yield a separate definition of the parts. A lot of high-end CAD programs read polygons (like we have) (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) Maybe I'm missing a technical distinction, but it seems he used bounding boxes *for* collision detection, as opposed to using exact volumes. (...) True. My point was, marking up the LDraw part files for volume decomposition would either: a) Be (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  review: Radeon 7000 for BrickDraw3D, low-end Mac
 
Upgrading my stock Apple G3/233 with a Radeon 7000 gave BrickDraw3D an 85% speed improvement. In pure OpenGL mode the improvement is 60% over the existing OpenGL advantage. The 2002 ATI Retail Card Update worked on G3/233 with 9.1 but BrickDraw3D (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
 
  Re: matching pattern numbers???
 
(...) Sure, send it on. Steve (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: matching pattern numbers???
 
(...) That seems perfectly reasonable. (...) Cool! Thanks! :-) (...) [snip] (...) Very nicely done, sir! ;-) I've got some of the new (2002) 'figs, so would you mind if I give you more info for this list, or else use your info in a list of my own? (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) Well, I can have a twisted mind sometimes. I know these moments when the best idea today, will just be plain stupid tomorrow. Thanks to Eric Olson for more precision: he used bounding boxes, not collisions. Also I still think, whereas higher (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Han Solo "gunbelt" hips/legs (was "matching pattern numbers???")
 
(...) As promised: Minifig Hips & Legs with SW Gunbelt Pattern (Complete) (URL) Hips with SW Gunbelt Pattern (URL) Leg Right with SW Gunbelt Pattern (URL) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
 
  part(s) posted... (set #4817)
 
I went with pattern number "4f", since "4b" has been taken by some other torso. Minifig Hips & Legs with Leather Armor Pattern (Complete) (URL) Hips with Leather Belt (Red Studs) Pattern (URL) Leg Right with Leather Straps (Red Studs) Pattern (URL) (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) That was only bounding boxes (minus the studs). The piece in question was matched against all other pieces, any pieces in a line above or below were put into a list. In case one of them intersected the piece in question, a new place would be (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) So stud4 would be decomposed into 16 trapezoidal prisms? That sounds like a fair amount of mark up. (...) Nod, true. But I'd rather decompose a 1x1 brick into 6 volumes (4 walls, 1 top and the stud) than 46 (one volume for each surface (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: matching pattern numbers???
 
(...) When reasonable, yes, we should. If I make the Johnny Thunder face today, but don't make his torso for a couple of years, I wouldn't expect that the same pattern number will necessarily be available later. There are too many patterns for that. (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: matching pattern numbers???
 
(...) This sounds like a sensible suggestion. The change should of course be made, so there are only minimal (if any) changes to the names of already published parts. Jacob (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  matching pattern numbers???
 
For patterned parts that occur together in a set -- say, for example, the various patterned parts from a Han Solo minifig (from the Star Wars theme) -- that have been or are being encoded as LCAD data files, shouldn't we be co-ordinating these (...) (23 years ago, 10-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) I like the idea of CSG. Unfortunately I can not invest time in Rayshade and alternate ray-tracers. I know they can have attractive features but I am more a POV user. I must impose some limit to my (already too high) diversification. Of course, (...) (23 years ago, 9-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) Stud4 primitive could be convex-decomposed just as Ring4 primitive is today. More generally, just as any LDraw surface is convex-decomposed with just triangles and quads (3,4 points respectively), I guess any LDraw volume can be (...) (23 years ago, 9-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
(...) Sorry, I must have been reading more into your example than you intended. (...) It's the former: the author intends to make a reflected object, but not an inverted object. (...) It depends on who (or what) you want to keep things simple *for*. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
If you're interested, take a look at my old Rayshade libraries that made the bricks from scratch using CSG. I'm especially fond of the L3G0 40-tooth technic gear. I've thought it would be nice to have "bounding boxes" for the bricks, for collision (...) (23 years ago, 9-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
Maybe I'm more confused now, or less who knows. But I don't think I made what I was trying to say clear in that last post. So here I am replying to myself... :) (...) That last sentance doesn't really get across what I was trying to say I think. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
Steve Bliss wrote: > In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Kyle McDonald wrote: > [snip more] > > You understand the usage correctly. Except there's no special tie > between a 'mirroring' subfile reference and the INVERTNEXT command. > Authors won't (...) (23 years ago, 9-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) Wow, good questions. We know that some collision detection is already practical - Eric Olsen demonstrated that over a year ago. But decomposing LDraw parts into convex objects, that would be a trick. Each external box 5 (or pair of box 5's) (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: request for modification (Tracker)
 
(...) Wow. Good ideas. Unfortunately, for now, I'll have to file them in with all the other improvements I want to make on PT. There are a few key changes that need to occur before many other things can happen. Steve (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
(...) That's weird - I know I answered your email. No big deal. (...) files already having been done by you and Damien), you're going to work on the rest of the boxes. Anyone else want to help? (...) You *can't* post new versions of official files. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
(...) [snip] OK, sounds reasonable to me. (...) Yes. (...) [snip more] You understand the usage correctly. Except there's no special tie between a 'mirroring' subfile reference and the INVERTNEXT command. Authors won't explicitly use one to 'undo' (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Numbers Report
 
In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Damien Guichard wrote: [snipped a lot of great comments about using different pages on the PT] I totally agree with everything Damien wrote, except that if one only pays attention to the Activity page, older files may (...) (23 years ago, 8-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Numbers Report
 
(...) I think Bernd and Sascha are brothers. Part authors keep LDraw alive. Steve B. has a quite expeditive (if not bureaucratic) response to your legitimate expectings. My advise is: visit the "activity" PT page rather than the "certication" or (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
(...) Constructive Solid Geometry? (the notion of modeling solids as constructions of simpler solids, using union and intersection as operator) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
[ XFUT lugnet.cad.dev ] (...) What's "CSG descriptions"? (...) But they aren't (as you also write). Still, you are probably correct that BFC information in the LDraw parts can be used for collision detection. (...) I think it deserves further (...) (23 years ago, 7-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Parts as volumes (instead of surfaces)
 
It has been said that, with ldraw parts, we have the geometry of TLG bricks. This is rather optimistic. Because geometry would be CSG descriptions that allow much more (although slower) than quads and triangles. CSG descriptions allow part collision (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Hidden male connectors (studs)
 
Hello LCD "community", As female connectors (mainly stud inlets) can effectively hide male connectors (mainly studs), we should ensure that the LCD project do not waste such an opportunity to further speed up LDraw display. I think this possibility (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
Hello, Comments below... Travis Cobbs wrote: > In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Steve Bliss writes: > >>In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Tony Hafner writes: >> >>>In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Steve Bliss writes: >>> >>>>>Um... Not to stir the pot or (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
(...) Given the fact that they have to check whether or not a given file has been mirrored, I can't see that the directionality would make a large difference. If everything used CCW, then only mirrored ones would need to be reordered (assuming the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: [Parts Tracker] More BFC Primitives
 
(...) Hey- but I never heard back about which ones you wanted me to work on. Should I do all the rings? That would solve this: (URL) the PT says to send new versions of existing official files to you instead of posting them directly. Should I (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: request for modification (Tracker)
 
(...) Great idea- how about color-coding the voting codes? A green "C" (or "A" if you are Steve) tells you that you've already voted. Likewise, a red "H" and yellow "N" tells you that you've Held or No-voted on the part. Votes by others all show as (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)


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