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Originally this message was about some LEGO train cars. It is time AFOL (`Adult Fans Of LEGO' for the new readers) take action that prompts a change in the business practices of The Lego Group (TLG). This message started out as a posting about some (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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(...) What you are proposing sounds sort of like the Dear Lego newsgroup. It just needs to be used more frequently by a lot more of us. I'm not aware of any hard evidence that TLG reads (or reacts to) Dear Lego, but it couldn't hurt to vent politely (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) This would fit really easily within a simple (non-monolithic text file) database. Are there any plans to do so? Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.general)
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Most of the demographic info that Ian suggests we collect is part of the roll call form. I'd suggest people post or update their forms rather than reposting this info... Here's a searchable entry point: (URL) Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.general)
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I believe that you can add (even via mail) a "Followup-To: lugnet.general" to your message headers and it would do what you wanted. (...) I would like to point out that I think what we all want isn't adult legos, but rather sets that don't insult (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Via e-mail, simply use the Reply-To mapping... That is, If you're posting via a newsreader, then set your headers like this: Newsgroups: lugnet.foo,lugnet.ba...ugnet.gonk Followup-To: lugnet.gonk and if you're posting via e-mail, then set your (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ian, I was very impressed with your post. I sent it on to a good friend of mine that works for the company that handles the marketing for Mindstorms. He put on the LEGO Robogladiator event at the E3 convention that happened in Los Angeles some (...) (25 years ago, 30-Sep-99, to lugnet.general)
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The problem is that this isn't automated. Changes to your form take a long time. I'd love a Lugnet login that would let me change the info in a db at any time. Then Todd could set up logins for TLG personnel that would let them search on custom (...) (25 years ago, 1-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Thank you very much Peter. I hope we see some results. I would dearly love to see The LEGO Groups' CEO or U.S. Operations Chief Officer address all or many of the issues that have been raised by dozens of Lugnet & RTL members. It would be very (...) (25 years ago, 2-Oct-99, to lugnet.general)
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On Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:32:42 GMT, Ian Sinclair uttered the following profundities... (...) I am a bit behind in reading Lugnet, so sorry for the *very* late response..... The 8448 Super Car here in the UK had in it one of those user response cards. (...) (25 years ago, 2-Nov-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Speaking of which, December's Playboy magazine has a bit in the "toys for the guys this christmas" section about Mindstorms. It's quite obvious that there are moments of adult advertising regarding Lego. However, this was a Playboy article and (...) (25 years ago, 2-Nov-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I daren't ask for scans ;) Richard (25 years ago, 2-Nov-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) "Uh, really, honey, I only read it for the *articles*..." LFB. (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I agree with this totally. I think we should get off or butts and do this. I also suggest we call and complain to "costumer service" too. If they get about 30-50 calls about this for a while they will most likely reverse there direction and (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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(...) <snipped a lot of (in my opinion) blather> I disagree. The LEGO Group is a very large company that has the intertia of a supertanker. In other words, even if they magically got all of the best designs from the community and decided to make (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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(...) I agree. But I am also positive that we need to aim higher than customer service. I am also positive that Lugnet is the WRONG forum for the many suggested online marketing database things, and other like suggestions -- a little bird told me (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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(...) I agree with you completely. If the demand is truly there for better models/instructions, one could even make a business of it. Call it "Virtual LEGO Sets". Warning...the rest of this message is only half-serious... Probably could generate a (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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(...) I actually worked on something like this briefly. I wanted to know what sets and how much it would cost to get everything to build the rubber band gun I designed (photos on my web site). The problem of course, was getting a complete database (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.robotics)
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<stuff deleted> (...) I am surprised this thread has reared its head once again. Zack must be way behind on his LEGO message groups... :-) I posted my original message back in September. I followed that up with a couple others. I was in a very fowl, (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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Ralph, I agree with you. But I am probably in the minority. For me all LEGO sets are only parts packs for my own buildings. Gary Istok (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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(...) On the other hand, specialized parts available directly from the company would require only logistical shifts--but then again, an inertia-laden Corporation might find logistical shifts impossible. (...) I'm impressed. I think this is the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.general)
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(...) about the rumors of the service packs "PHASING OUT". Hopefully Ian is right and TLG is heading back to the old days. I will continue to hope that they are. Only time will tell......... (25 years ago, 3-Nov-99, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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| | Playboy Article (Re: It's Time AFOL Take Action!)
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(...) A brief transcript of this article, found on page 109 in the "Christmas Gift Guide" of December's issue of Playboy. "Lego has come up with the ultimate big-boy toy - the Mindstorms Romotics Invention System. This $200 kit lets you design and (...) (25 years ago, 15-Nov-99, to lugnet.general)
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(...) There are *articles* in Playboy? :) DaveE (25 years ago, 15-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Why else would you buy it? Eric K. (25 years ago, 15-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) At £4.25 ($5.95?) per issue, it gets to the point where you buy it *specifically* for the articles! Stu C. University of Glasgow (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Sorry, Ian, but the situation is beyond our control. TLG probably just thinks of AFOLs as just another small, insignificant group of customers. Chances are, they don't see us as people so much as they see us as numbers. We'll just have to wait (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.space)
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Wow! It's a brilliant summary. It's not just the adults who appreciate the 'good old sets'. For example, I have recently aquired a 3225 train which bucks the trend towards ever more futuristic train models from TLG. The set appealed to me and was (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.space)
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(...) So you say adults aren't the only fans of classic sets? That's extremeley useful info, seriously. I wonder if it could have an effect on TLG... Z (24 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.space)
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Okay. First I do agree with a little bit of what you said, no bulk sales. I beleive the Lego company was started by basic bricks. I think Town Jr. is sorry. Here are somethings to note: Lego is basically family owned. Town Jr. is aimed toward the 8 (...) (24 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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Dan <jedi101673@aol.com> wrote in message news:Fo585t.Ho5@lugnet.com... (...) have (...) And this is the beginning of what I see as a vicious downward-spiralling circle - kids are more impatient, so TLG comes up with easier sets (presumably to keep (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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Timothy D. Freshly writes: > And this is the beginning of what I see as a vicious downward-spiralling > circle - kids are more impatient, so TLG comes up with easier sets > (presumably to keep kids from getting frustrated and going on to "easier" > (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) IMO, if TLG doesn't cut it out with the "sell to the impatient ones" plan soon, kids will become more and more used to it, until the whole thing is screwed. I think TLG is making the kids impatient by getting them used to such juniorized (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.build, lugnet.general, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.space, lugnet.technic, lugnet.trains)
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(...) It occures to me to wonder: Perhaps the SW sets aren't Jr-ized because LEGO could be certain of selling enough to make a good profit, even with a narrower margin? Perhaps LEGO's market analysis indicates that in general they need to have X (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) due in part to the control that the merchandising division of Lucasfilm exerts over TLC's designs. I've read that many of the toys that Hasbro/Kenner produces are closely reviewed by Lucasfilm for quality and realism. But that doesn't mean (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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