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Re: New Terms of Use for LUGNET
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lugnet.admin.terms
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Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:59:45 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Rene Hoffmeister wrote:
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Basically, this astriction arised out of the German “Protection of Young
Persons Act”. ------
“(Content is illegal, if...) it depicts barbarously or otherwise inhumanely
outrages against humans in a way which express glorification or belittlement
of such outrages or in a way which illustrates the cruelty or inhumanity of
such a procedure while offending the human dignity; this is also applicable
to virtual interpretations.”
As you can see, it’s pretty hard to match this, especially with LEGO.
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Jake McKee wrote:
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Honestly, I’m a bit surprised that no one has commented more on this
particular update. This seems overly restrictive and I’m not exactly sure how
I feel about LUGNET terms now being based on German law.
Am I the only one that sees a serious problem with this clause?
Jake
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Hey,
I guess I’m okay with Rene’s description, but as Didier said, this will come
down to theory vs practice. I’m sure there would be no problem with something
like a battle scene. Almost everthing I could imagine would fall into this
realm. Let’s jump straight to the hard cases, then. What does this new version
of the ToU say about discussions of things like Block Death (hmm, the url is
dead - does this site still exist?) or the art of
Zbigniew Libera. Block Death was (is?) a site that had small vignettes
depicting different minifig deaths and tortures. IMO this was for satirical
effect, so I wouldn’t think it would fall under restriction, but how would this
play out? (For that matter, many castle MOCs have had a dungeon with medieval
torture instruments.) Zbigniew Libera is an artist who created a set of seven
MOCs that depicted Nazi concentration camps. This has certainly set off fairly
serious debates in LEGO forums in the past, but I would argue that this was
actually a very serious artistic piece raising discussion - these pieces were
even displayed in a Holocaust museum in New York, so at least some people
intimately involved in this area appreciated them (though that did raise
controversy and others in the New York Jewish community strongly objected).
Again, I would say that Lugnet is the right place for this discussion, but how
would the German law be applied. To take this to a more contemporary example,
some people have built MOCs based on contemporary events as sort of political
commentary. Could someone build an Abu Ghraib MOC similar to the Zbigniew
creations as some sort of comment on the current debate in the US of the
treatment of prisoners accused of terrorism? If such creations started being
banned by Lugnet I would be very upset.
That said, I don’t anticipate Rene going out and chopping posts, so in the
meantime I won’t get that worried.
One question, Rene. On Classic-Castle we simply ban members under 13 years old.
Under our understanding, this helps us to avoid certain restrictions under U.S.
law protecting minors. Would German law afford a similar solution? That is, do
the restrictions you list affect all sites hosted in Germany, or only those with
underage members?
Bruce
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| (...) You're right, that's not an issue, NFW. (...) I guess I know it, one could consider it as "bad taste", but as far as I remember, it was made too simple to be seriously glorifying violence. (...) It launched a discussion, but definitive is (...) (18 years ago, 19-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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| (...) Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that no one has commented more on this particular update. This seems overly restrictive and I'm not exactly sure how I feel about LUGNET terms now being based on German law. Am I the only one that sees a serious (...) (18 years ago, 19-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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