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Re: New Terms of Use for LUGNET
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lugnet.admin.terms
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Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:15:53 GMT
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--various snippage--
> Factory is a bit of a grey area. Given that the poster doesn't (currently)
> stand to benefit from the sales, and given that the purpose is to point out
> the existence of a new model, I think that's ok. That's no different than
> pointing to Shop at Home to point out some new set not previously shown
> elsewhere.
Thinking on this particular issue I think I would prefer an extra set of market
guidelines sitting outside the main TOS. What if Factory starts paying out an
authors share? Then it becomes more grey since for some people the Factory model
might be the only version of the model. Having a separate guideline means having
something that can be changed to deal with new issues more than changing the TOS
to deal with every new case.
> The thing to consider is what is the primary purpose.
This can be where the problem comes in. Most people will behave reasonably and
with respect for the guidlines. For those that don't their do need to be clear
guidelines since such people generally have little respect in general.
> > The other big one is modded parts such as those made by Ondrew
> > Hartigan and Rob Hendrix. The nature of these often means that the
> > person sells on the modded version (or a copy) but the initial post
> > is also an announcement that it has been done (repeat posts obviously
> > should be in .market).
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> I think that type of thing can be handled by making the first announcement
> not actually include the sale information, or at least not directly. I think
> it would be ok to say "and I'll be putting these up for sale when I refine
> the process." or something to that effect. That clues the person who wants
> to buy to start watching the .market groups.
I like this solution. Personally I'd be happy with a *discreet* link to a
separate sales announcement too. That way the sale and post are kept separate
but it saves the reader sniffing around .market until the sales post
(particularly useful for newsreader users).
> If you're cross-posting to .market, then you are clearly trying to directly
> drive sales, and to me that is a market post. We either allow market posts
> outside or .market or we don't.
Nothing is ever clear in this world ;) The post could be clearly a sales
announcement AND clearly an MOC announcement. Should the one exclude the other?
What about inviting expressions of interest (eg. ps. if anyone wants one of
these let me know and we can talk price)? I agree though that your above
suggestion should cover most of that.
> The trend seems to be that people don't want to see market posts in the
> theme groups.
As one of the louder whingers in the past I don't particularly mind market posts
in theme groups provided they are something more than a market post. "I am
selling this previously made creation" is not something I'd like to see "I made
this new thing and am selling it" is fine by me.
Tim
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| Hi Tim, Frank, thanks for bringing this up. (...) I like this idea very much. So the ToU could say (note 9.3.): Do not post information or material for commercial purposes which is not reasonably related to LEGO toys or which contains advertising (...) (18 years ago, 18-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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| | Re: New Terms of Use for LUGNET
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| (...) Factory is a bit of a grey area. Given that the poster doesn't (currently) stand to benefit from the sales, and given that the purpose is to point out the existence of a new model, I think that's ok. That's no different than pointing to Shop (...) (18 years ago, 18-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms)
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