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Re: New Terms of Use for LUGNET
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lugnet.admin.terms
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Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:55:44 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Rene Hoffmeister wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Rene Hoffmeister wrote:
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Changes in “DISCUSSION GROUP TERMS AND CONDITIONS”
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- Section 5 (old) is now section 4 (new). Addition: Do not post or transmit information which is glorifying violence.
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Hey Rene,
Things look pretty good. Could we have a clarification on “glorifying
violence”? Many (most?) official themes and AFOL MOCs have a level of
violence, whether it be knights with swords, pirates with cannons, or space
ships with lasers. Brikwars, for instance, is all about plastic violence,
and many (myself included) have posted battle scenes with severed heads and
trans-red plates on the ground for blood. At what point does something
“glorify violence” in an unacceptable way?
Bruce
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Hi Bruce,
that’s a well justified question.
Basically, this astriction arised out of the German “Protection of Young
Persons Act”. There’s an addendum called “Jugendmedienschutz-Staatsvertrag”
(word-by-word translation would cause nonsense, but it’s about protecting the
youth regarding media (among others: Internet)). There’s an article §4
“Forbidden Contents” and in §4(5) is written:
“(Content is illegal, if...) it depicts barbarously or otherwise inhumanely
outrages against humans in a way which express glorification or belittlement
of such outrages or in a way which illustrates the cruelty or inhumanity of
such a procedure while offending the human dignity; this is also applicable
to virtual interpretations.”
As you can see, it’s pretty hard to match this, especially with LEGO.
For example:
Posting this would be completely OK:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=202772
This would be OK too, as a whole gallery, with the given explanation:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=192024
Posting this picture solely would come very close to the line, such things
shouldn’t be posted without explanation or further context:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1873526
Posting this picture solely would be the borderline:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1873548 Together with just
one inappropriate word, it would be promptly not in the right ballpark.
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Honestly, I’m a bit surprised that no one has commented more on this particular
update. This seems overly restrictive and I’m not exactly sure how I feel about
LUGNET terms now being based on German law.
Am I the only one that sees a serious problem with this clause?
Jake
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Jake McKee
Webmaster - BIP
Private Citizen
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| snipped a lot of stuff (...) You are not the only one with definite concerns about this change. I can understand that Rene must operate with the law. But LUGNET's (prior) strong stand against censorship is a big deal to me. So this change, along (...) (18 years ago, 19-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
| | | Re: New Terms of Use for LUGNET
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| (...) ... (...) I'm not surprised. Administrative stuffs are not of such a high importance for most of the LEGO builders, collectors, etc. (...) Theory and practice. There is more than a gap between them. I'm quite confident in the fact that this (...) (18 years ago, 19-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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| (...) Hey, I guess I'm okay with Rene's description, but as Didier said, this will come down to theory vs practice. I'm sure there would be no problem with something (URL) a battle scene>. Almost everthing I could imagine would fall into this realm. (...) (18 years ago, 19-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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| | Re: New Terms of Use for LUGNET
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| (...) Hi Bruce, that's a well justified question. Basically, this astriction arised out of the German "Protection of Young Persons Act". There's an addendum called "Jugendmedienschutz-...tsvertrag" (word-by-word translation would cause nonsense, but (...) (18 years ago, 18-Sep-06, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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