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Here is an old fashion
trolley.
My effort toward this trolley began from inspiration from the Greater Portland
LEGO Railroaders. If it were not for the GPLR, I would probably never have
generated this design. Working on this trolley reminded me just how far we as
LEGO Train Fans have come. Not just in model-making, but in public displays of
our craft. I am constantly in awe of the latest greatest LEGO train club
displays. You surround beautiful train models with fantastic structures, road
vehicles, and scenery which raise every single creation to more than it would be
by itself, alone on a shelf.
I have wondered for several months what should become of this trolley design.
And, while it may not be perfect, nor may it be the best trolly out there, I
humbly present the trolley design with dedication to all of the LEGO Train
Clubs, for without your public pressence, I dare say the LEGO train hobby would
not be what it has become today. I wish you all wonderful and great train show
events in your future. Thank you. Seeing your show-pics is truly an
inspiration to me.
Regarding this trolley design, I hope to have hi-rez PNG images and a PDF file
available for download within a week or so. I’m still working on the design of
the back cover. You will be welcome to print it, store it, burn it, crash it,
modify it...whatever you want to do with this trolley design is fine with me.
later,
James Mathis
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Here is an old
fashion trolley.
My effort toward this trolley began from inspiration from the Greater
Portland LEGO Railroaders. If it were not for the GPLR, I would probably
never have generated this design. Working on this trolley reminded me just
how far we as LEGO Train Fans have come. Not just in model-making, but in
public displays of our craft. I am constantly in awe of the latest greatest
LEGO train club displays. You surround beautiful train models with fantastic
structures, road vehicles, and scenery which raise every single creation to
more than it would be by itself, alone on a shelf.
I have wondered for several months what should become of this trolley design.
And, while it may not be perfect, nor may it be the best trolly out there, I
humbly present the trolley design with dedication to all of the LEGO Train
Clubs, for without your public pressence, I dare say the LEGO train hobby
would not be what it has become today. I wish you all wonderful and great
train show events in your future. Thank you. Seeing your show-pics is truly
an inspiration to me.
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What a great design and gesture by you, James! It is stuff like this that
really <ahem> builds community spirit! I am going to do my best to actually
build this MOC and always display it on the TCLTC layout as a tribute to your
contribution.
Actually, come to think of it, I have on permanent display on the TCLTC layout a
version of the Spamcake Diner™ (created by Tom
McDonald), and a “Schleim” version of your
WWYM tour truck by
Holger (HoMa’s version,
Mine) for
similar reasons.
Thanks for sharing, James!
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Here is an old
fashion trolley.
My effort toward this trolley began from inspiration from the Greater
Portland LEGO Railroaders. If it were not for the GPLR, I would probably
never have generated this design. Working on this trolley reminded me just
how far we as LEGO Train Fans have come. Not just in model-making, but in
public displays of our craft. I am constantly in awe of the latest greatest
LEGO train club displays. You surround beautiful train models with
fantastic structures, road vehicles, and scenery which raise every single
creation to more than it would be by itself, alone on a shelf.
I have wondered for several months what should become of this trolley
design. And, while it may not be perfect, nor may it be the best trolly out
there, I humbly present the trolley design with dedication to all of the
LEGO Train Clubs, for without your public pressence, I dare say the LEGO
train hobby would not be what it has become today. I wish you all wonderful
and great train show events in your future. Thank you. Seeing your
show-pics is truly an inspiration to me.
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What a great design and gesture by you, James! It is stuff like this that
really <ahem> builds community spirit! I am going to do my best to
actually build this MOC and always display it on the TCLTC layout as a
tribute to your contribution.
Actually, come to think of it, I have on permanent display on the TCLTC
layout a version of the Spamcake Diner™
(created by Tom McDonald), and a “Schleim” version of your
WWYM tour truck by
Holger (HoMa’s
version, Mine) for similar reasons.
Thanks for sharing, James!
JOHN
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Agreed - a wonderful gesture and sentiment expressed by you, James.
I hope to emulate your design for LUCNY’s layout as well.
Thanks,
Ed
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Here is an old
fashion trolley.
My effort toward this trolley began from inspiration from the Greater
Portland LEGO Railroaders. If it were not for the GPLR, I would probably
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((SNIP))
This will also appear on the BAYLTC layout going forward, and -- with your
permission -- I’ll see if I can modify it to make a Muni cable car.
Thanks, James!!
Paul Sinasohn
LUGNET #115
BAYLUG/BAYLTC
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In lugnet.trains, Ed McGlynn wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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What a great design and gesture by you, James! It is stuff like this that
really <ahem> builds community spirit! I am going to do my best to
actually build this MOC and always display it on the TCLTC layout as a
tribute to your contribution.
JOHN
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Agreed - a wonderful gesture and sentiment expressed by you, James.
I hope to emulate your design for LUCNY’s layout as well.
Thanks,
Ed
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Guys,
Thanks for the potential builds.
Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you have
suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in modifying the
instructions accordingly. Other than the impossible(?) tan and brown train
windows, I hope I have used readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the new 1x1
slope may not be available in gray-- sorry.
later,
James Mathis
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Guys,
Thanks for the potential builds.
Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you have
suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in modifying the
instructions accordingly. Other than the impossible(?) tan and brown train
windows, I hope I have used readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the new 1x1
slope may not be available in gray-- sorry.
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Looks like a fun build! When I get some time I’m going to have to build a copy
in white/red livery to match my
MTW-3001
Thanks for sharing this with the community! You’re an inspiration to many of us.
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In lugnet.trains, Paul Sinasohn wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Here is an old
fashion trolley.
My effort toward this trolley began from inspiration from the Greater
Portland LEGO Railroaders. If it were not for the GPLR, I would probably
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((SNIP))
This will also appear on the BAYLTC layout going forward, and -- with your
permission -- I’ll see if I can modify it to make a Muni cable car.
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Paul,
Go for it! I’ll look forward to your result.
later,
James Mathis
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Here is an old
fashion trolley.
My effort toward this trolley began from inspiration from the Greater
Portland LEGO Railroaders. If it were not for the GPLR, I would probably
never have generated this design. Working on this trolley reminded me just
how far we as LEGO Train Fans have come. Not just in model-making, but in
public displays of our craft. I am constantly in awe of the latest greatest
LEGO train club displays. You surround beautiful train models with fantastic
structures, road vehicles, and scenery which raise every single creation to
more than it would be by itself, alone on a shelf.
I have wondered for several months what should become of this trolley design.
And, while it may not be perfect, nor may it be the best trolly out there, I
humbly present the trolley design with dedication to all of the LEGO Train
Clubs, for without your public pressence, I dare say the LEGO train hobby
would not be what it has become today. I wish you all wonderful and great
train show events in your future. Thank you. Seeing your show-pics is truly
an inspiration to me.
Regarding this trolley design, I hope to have hi-rez PNG images and a PDF
file available for download within a week or so. I’m still working on the
design of the back cover. You will be welcome to print it, store it, burn
it, crash it, modify it...whatever you want to do with this trolley design is
fine with me.
later,
James Mathis
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Looks nice. You mention that there is no room for a driver, I reckon if you
replace the 1x4 clack tile in step 8 of
slide 16 with a plate you could attach the top half for a fig to it (they might
have to be bald tho’!)
Goes to check window colours, hmm no tan, only 4 1x2x3 and no 1x4x3 brown, might
have to do a green and white one.
tim
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James Mathis wrote:
> Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you have
> suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in modifying the
> instructions accordingly. Other than the impossible(?) tan and brown
> train windows, I hope I have used readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the
> new 1x1 slope may not be available in gray-- sorry.
I've seen people sell tan train windows on Bricklink... they do exist (just
like green ones, I have 20 of those) they're just hard to get by.
--
Jan-Albert van Ree | http://www.vanree.net/brickpiles/
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Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
> James Mathis wrote:
>
> > Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you
> > have suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in
> > modifying the instructions accordingly. Other than the
> > impossible(?) tan and brown train windows, I hope I have used
> > readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the new 1x1 slope may not be
> > available in gray-- sorry.
>
> I've seen people sell tan train windows on Bricklink... they do exist
> (just like green ones, I have 20 of those) they're just hard to get
> by.
The train might also look good with 1x4x3 window frames, which are a bit
more available in tan. Of course the shutter tabs would cause problems,
you'd have to snip them off or alternate them inside and outside (and they
would disrupt the appearance from the outside). Of course that doesn't
resolve the 1x2x3 train windows at the ends...
Frank
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In lugnet.trains, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
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James Mathis wrote:
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Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you have
suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in modifying the
instructions accordingly. Other than the impossible(?) tan and brown
train windows, I hope I have used readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the
new 1x1 slope may not be available in gray-- sorry.
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I’ve seen people sell tan train windows on Bricklink... they do exist (just
like green ones, I have 20 of those) they’re just hard to get by.
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Wow. Tan train windows. But has the 1x2x3 train window ever been produced in
tan, to anyone’s knowledge?
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Jan-Albert van Ree wrote:
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James Mathis wrote:
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Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you have
suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in modifying the
instructions accordingly. Other than the impossible(?) tan and brown
train windows, I hope I have used readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the
new 1x1 slope may not be available in gray-- sorry.
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I’ve seen people sell tan train windows on Bricklink... they do exist (just
like green ones, I have 20 of those) they’re just hard to get by.
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Wow. Tan train windows. But has the 1x2x3 train window ever been produced
in tan, to anyone’s knowledge?
JOHN
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Did someone say Tan windows? Ooops Tan Train windows....
Yep 21 of the 1x4x3 and 10 of the 1x2x3 tan train windows were sold on Bricklink
in the last 6 months.
I find some strange items that I never knew existed, on Bricklink.... things
like 1x12x3 arches in blue or yellow, 2x2 double concave yellow regular slopes,
etc.
They must have produced a lot of these tan train windows, in order to make it
monetarily worthwhile to produce them, don’t you think? But where are they?
Are they at the Legoland Parks (have these windows been spotted)? Or were just
a few cranked out? With all this talk about how it is not cost effective to
produce specific parts in off colors for AFOLs.... someone should have some
explaining to do! (“Should” is the key word here.)
Gary Istok
Still hoping for windows in other colors......
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In lugnet.trains, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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Yep 21 of the 1x4x3 and 10 of the 1x2x3 tan train windows were sold on
Bricklink in the last 6 months.
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Well, what do you know? Thanks for the info. I think I’ll mosey over to B-S-T
and put in a little request:-)
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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With all this talk about how it is not cost
effective to produce specific parts in off colors for AFOLs.... someone
should have some explaining to do! (“Should” is the key word here.)
Gary Istok
Still hoping for windows in other colors......
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I have always wondered if TLC had some ability to produce limited quantities of
parts in odd colors (for prototypes, model shop, etc) without going into the
expense of setting up a production injection machine for the purpose. If the
mold is in the machine, I can perhaps see changing ABS colors for some small
quantity run, but just to setup the machine was I thought the more expensive
proposition.
Ray
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Ed McGlynn wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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Guys,
Thanks for the potential builds.
Please let me know of any build problems you encounter or, if you have
suggestions for improvements. I would be interested in modifying the
instructions accordingly. Other than the impossible(?) tan and brown train
windows, I hope I have used readily available pieces-- oh, yeah, the new 1x1
slope may not be available in gray-- sorry.
later,
James Mathis
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James,
Just finished building the trolley. I used Blue in place of Tan (windows), White
in place of Grey (roof), Dark Bley in place of Brown (doors),and Grey in place
of Red (ends, etc). I have found one problem. The ends of the roof, the parts
that are on the 3 X 3 plate with round corner are attached to each other with
the vertical 1 X 4 tile but to nothing else so the unit will slide off the roof.
Hope this description makes sense.
Thanks,
Bruce
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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Just finished building the trolley. I used Blue in place of Tan (windows),
White in place of Grey (roof), Dark Bley in place of Brown (doors),and Grey
in place of Red (ends, etc). I have found one problem. The ends of the roof,
the parts that are on the 3 X 3 plate with round corner are attached to each
other with the vertical 1 X 4 tile but to nothing else so the unit will slide
off the roof. Hope this description makes sense.
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Bruce,
How, wow! Thanks for building this trolley.
I’ll definitely check out the roof issue. Now, I will try to model it your
livery.
Thank you very much.
later,
James Mathis
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James Mathis wrote:
> Here is an <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=129647 old fashion
> trolley>.
[snip]
> And, while it may not be perfect, nor may it be the best trolly out there, I
> humbly present the trolley design with dedication to all of the LEGO Train
[snip]
> later,
>
> James Mathis
You are a funny man.... That is a _great_ trolley design! Thanks for
providing continuing inspiration.
Sincerely,
Chris
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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Just finished building the trolley. I used Blue in place of Tan (windows),
White in place of Grey (roof), Dark Bley in place of Brown (doors),and Grey
in place of Red (ends, etc). I have found one problem. The ends of the roof,
the parts that are on the 3 X 3 plate with round corner are attached to each
other with the vertical 1 X 4 tile but to nothing else so the unit will
slide off the roof. Hope this description makes sense.
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Bruce,
How, wow! Thanks for building this trolley.
I’ll definitely check out the roof issue. Now, I will try to model it your
livery.
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Since that little 1x1 slope is so hard to come by in gray, may I be so bold to
suggest a solution that eliminates those elements and binds the 3x3 rounded
plates as well-- use this piece along the
side of the ends of the roof instead (although it is rather rare itself in
gray...)
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, Ray Sanders wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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With all this talk about how it is not cost
effective to produce specific parts in off colors for AFOLs.... someone
should have some explaining to do! (“Should” is the key word here.)
Gary Istok
Still hoping for windows in other colors......
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I have always wondered if TLC had some ability to produce limited quantities
of parts in odd colors (for prototypes, model shop, etc) without going into
the expense of setting up a production injection machine for the purpose. If
the mold is in the machine, I can perhaps see changing ABS colors for some
small quantity run, but just to setup the machine was I thought the more
expensive proposition.
Ray
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This is simply speculation, but I would guess it to be less costly to change the
MOLD than to change the COLOR.
For example, it might take 60 minutes to purge one color and have a new color
running in the same machine, while switching the mold might only take ten
minutes. Each specific molded part probably has slightly different
specifications such as injection time, quantity, temperature, whatever, but
similar parts can probably be switched back and forth without much time or
effort required. For example, molding 1x1 square plates is probably almost
identical to molding 1x1 round plates with only slight adjustments needed to get
proper results.
Again, I am just guessing.
But we can hope that the next time a production line is spitting out Tan 1x4x3
panels, someone will change out the mold and then make a few million Tan 1x4x3
train windows.
Until then, some of us might just produce our own tan windows with parts we CAN
reasonably obtain. And a little cutting, too
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
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I have found one problem.
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<snip>
Hey Bruce-
I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white ambassador
trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail in
Step 6 here. We found
that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the
this technic element touched, thus preventing
a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?
(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
this piece, attached the train rail to
that and called it a day:-)
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
<snip>
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I have found one problem.
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<snip>
Hey Bruce-
I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white
ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail
in Step 6 here. We
found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the
this technic element touched, thus
preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?
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IIRC, it’s only a negligible distance. The attachment is reasonably secure. But
it can be enough to bother you if you’re a stickler for details. (I know I am!)
Legoswami
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, Bruce S. Chamberlain wrote:
<snip>
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I have found one problem.
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<snip>
Hey Bruce-
I began building a version of James’ trolley (mine shall be a white
ambassador trolley) and found an issue attaching the upside down train rail
in Step 6 here. We
found that the studs from the train railing and the studs from the
this technic element touched, thus
preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to be the case?
(To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
this piece, attached the train rail
to that and called it a day:-)
JOHN
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John,
I didn’t notice this at the time, but when you point it out and I put the pieces
together in my head, I can see you are right. I am going to have to take it
appart and check if this affects the fit of the other parts.
Thanks,
Bruce
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James Mathis wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
> > I began building a version of James' trolley (mine shall be a white
> > {ambassador trolley}) and found an issue attaching the upside down
> > train rail in
> > <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=1230549 Step 6
> > here>. We found that the studs from the train railing and the studs
> > from the <http://peeron.com/inv/parts/4263 this technic element>
> > touched, thus preventing a secure attachment. Did you find this to
> > be the case?
> >
> > (To solve it, we replaced the 1x4 technic plate with
> > <http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/32063 this piece>, attached the
> > train rail to that and called it a day:-)
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for catching this fault in the construction.
> I failed to notice this error. And, I don't like it. Rather
> embarrassing.
I've seen many a construction get bitten by the fact that a stud is ever so
slightly taller than 1/2 plate (and it's the stud itself, not the logo - my
simple test for height differences is to match two pieces and then run my
fingernail across, if it gets caught, there's a height difference).
Does LDraw correctly model the height of the stud? Of course you wouldn't
necessarily notice the error even then.
Frank
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
lol I’m telling you that there are dangers to virtual building! :-)
Well, I putzed around with it a little, but I am siccing Ross on the project and
told him to have at it, only keeping the overall “feel” of the MOC intact. I
might even be able to get him to ldraw his completed efforts.
Pics to come as soon as we can!
JOHN
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In lugnet.trains, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.trains, James Mathis wrote:
lol I’m telling you that there are dangers to virtual building! :-)
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And, Bruce Chamberlain pointed out another error. The front windows don’t push
back as far as I indicate in the virtual model. The 1/2-stud inset of the doors
interfers with the front window insertion. Back to the drawing board on that.
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Well, I putzed around with it a little, but I am siccing Ross on the project
and told him to have at it, only keeping the overall “feel” of the MOC
intact. I might even be able to get him to ldraw his completed efforts.
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We’ll put it into the book, if he/you like.
Thanks, Ross.
later,
James Mathis
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Here are some more design modifications thanks to
Bruce Chamberlain and
Hans-Juergen Gaus.
There was an interference problem with inserting the windows into the 1/2-stud
inset doors. Both Bruce and Hans-Juergen addressed this problem in two
different ways. Bruce added a layer of SNOT-plates in front of the door (see
link above). Hans-Juergen removed the SNOT-plates that hold the grab-bars and
instead used a stack of studs-up 1x1 brick. I’m not exactly sure how
Hans-Juergen built his, so the instructions above via the Hans-Juergen link are
my solution to his design.
later,
James Mathis
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