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Subject:	LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:50:13 GMT
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I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the original authors of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be interested in changing the license of the models for Datsville. Basically, I am interested in maybe uploading the town to a CVS or SVN repository so that continued work can occur in a visible and organized fashion. -Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:24:18 GMT
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Michael Horvath wrote: > I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the > original authors of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be > interested in changing the license of the models for Datsville. > Basically, I am interested in maybe uploading the town to a CVS or > SVN repository so that continued work can occur in a visible and > organized fashion. This one's mine: http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=315 I have no problems with GPL or CC. -- Anders Isaksson, Sweden BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:29:12 GMT
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Anders Isaksson wrote: > Michael Horvath wrote: > > I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the > > original authors of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be > > interested in changing the license of the models for Datsville. > > Basically, I am interested in maybe uploading the town to a CVS or > > SVN repository so that continued work can occur in a visible and > > organized fashion. > > This one's mine: http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=315 > I have no problems with GPL or CC. This one is also made by me - http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=285 - but that's a model taken directly from my old LEGO idea book, so the *model* belongs to LEGO, the .DAT implementation is mine. -- Anders Isaksson, Sweden BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:51:52 GMT
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I'm willing to re-licence the two models that are discussed in this posting http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=1830

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:31:34 GMT
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Any models I have made for it, go ahead and use it.

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:52:33 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Jonathan Wilson wrote: > Any models I have made for it, go ahead and use it. Awesome, guys! I've been exploring hosting options on SourceForge. My preference for a license is CC-LGPL. However, I was unable to find this license in the list of available licenses. Also, I was unsure whether we may reuse the title, "Datsville". Do we have to wait until everyone has responded with their support/permission? -Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:18:13 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Jonathan Wilson wrote: > Any models I have made for it, go ahead and use it. By searching LUGNET I was able to determine that you created a petroleum station, but I couldn't find the actual model. Could you please re-upload this file? Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:17:02 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the original authors > of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be interested in changing the > license of the models for Datsville. Basically, I am interested in maybe > uploading the town to a CVS or SVN repository so that continued work can occur > in a visible and organized fashion. > > -Mike I finally got around to creating a repository. You can find it here: http://code.google.com/p/datsville/ There are only a few files in "trunk/". I need to contact all the original authors for permission to use their models. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:32:05 GMT
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On 11/22/2009 5:17 AM, Michael Horvath wrote: > I finally got around to creating a repository. You can find it here: > > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/ > > There are only a few files in "trunk/". I need to contact all the original > authors for permission to use their models. > > Mike Forgot to add: 1) The license for programming code (POV-Ray, etc.) is LGPL. 2) The license for content (LDraw models, etc.) is CC-BY-SA. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:06:04 GMT
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On 11/22/2009 5:17 AM, Michael Horvath wrote: > I finally got around to creating a repository. You can find it here: > > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/ > > There are only a few files in "trunk/". I need to contact all the original > authors for permission to use their models. > > Mike Here's a link to the project's wiki: http://code.google.com/p/datsville/wiki/MainPage Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:20:26 GMT
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Michael Horvath wrote: > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/wiki/MainPage The following two models were submitted by me, Anders Isaksson: tanders.dat - Original title "My Home", made by me, free to use under any license. It was originally built in BlockCAD when the world travelling minifigs Colin & Wanda visited me in 1999. http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/mwt/index.htm tuniver.dat - Original title "My little summer house", but everybody thought it looked more like a university. The model is built by me in BlockCAD, but it is an original idea from a 1960(?) LEGO Idea Book - http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/ideabook/11b.jpg (my render http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/pict/castle3.jpg) Old-timer Gary Istok has/had some photos on the web of this LEGO Idea which he built with real pieces. Although he made it slightly larger - quadrupled the model into a square castle. -- Anders Isaksson

Subject:	404's at LGPL Datsville Page
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:04:35 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > > I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the original authors > > of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be interested in changing the > > license of the models for Datsville. Basically, I am interested in maybe > > uploading the town to a CVS or SVN repository so that continued work can occur > > in a visible and organized fashion. > > > > -Mike > > I finally got around to creating a repository. You can find it here: > > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/ > > There are only a few files in "trunk/". I need to contact all the original > authors for permission to use their models. > > Mike There are broken links at start page (Project Home\Summary) * The current list of permissions is here. * Some useful links are here. Click on "here" at both link and you'll get a 404. They worked before, but not any longer. /Tore

Subject:	Re: 404's at LGPL Datsville Page
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:20:10 GMT
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On 11/24/2009 3:04 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > There are broken links at start page (Project Home\Summary) > * The current list of permissions is here. > * Some useful links are here. > Click on "here" at both link and you'll get a 404. They worked before, but not > any longer. > > /Tore Should be working again. I moved them to a sub-folder and forgot to update the links. Mike

Subject:	Datsville Lite Zip Problems (Was: 404's...)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:15:15 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > On 11/24/2009 3:04 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > There are broken links at start page (Project Home\Summary) > > * The current list of permissions is here. > > * Some useful links are here. > > Click on "here" at both link and you'll get a 404. They worked before, but not > > any longer. > > > > /Tore > > Should be working again. I moved them to a sub-folder and forgot to > update the links. > > Mike Now it works. Thanks! Next problem: I can't unzip the Datsville Lite archive at http://www.mediafire.com/file/zlzgjvgym4y/ldr_unoff_datsvillelite_v1_0_0.zip Both winzip and winrar says unknown method. /Tore the Troublemaker :)

Subject:	Re: Datsville Lite Zip Problems (Was: 404's...)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:33:08 GMT
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On 11/25/2009 8:15 AM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > Now it works. Thanks! > > Next problem: I can't unzip the Datsville Lite archive at > http://www.mediafire.com/file/zlzgjvgym4y/ldr_unoff_datsvillelite_v1_0_0.zip > Both winzip and winrar says unknown method. > > /Tore the Troublemaker :) Uh-oh! That's a problem! I used 7-zip to create the archives. I hope none of my other files suffer from this as well. In the meantime, you can also get DV lite from here: http://code.google.com/p/datsville/source/browse/#svn/trunk/models_original Mike

Subject:	Re: Datsville Lite Zip Problems (Was: 404's...)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:20:00 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > On 11/25/2009 8:15 AM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > Now it works. Thanks! > > > > Next problem: I can't unzip the Datsville Lite archive at > > http://www.mediafire.com/file/zlzgjvgym4y/ldr_unoff_datsvillelite_v1_0_0.zip > > Both winzip and winrar says unknown method. > > > > /Tore the Troublemaker :) > > Uh-oh! That's a problem! > > I used 7-zip to create the archives. I hope none of my other files > suffer from this as well. > > In the meantime, you can also get DV lite from here: > > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/source/browse/#svn/trunk/models_original > > Mike No, that's not a problem anymore. I just installed 7-zip and unzipped the file instantly. All I needed was that info. Thanks again, Mike. /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:31:50 GMT
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When loading the Datsville MPD file in MLCAD, it asks for two files that I can't find anywhere. 1. plnxzb.dat 2. 606p01b.dat Anyone know where I can find these, or how to resolve the issue? It also reports an error for "tmmayor.dat", but I think I know how to fix it. Mike

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Subject:	Tmmayor.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
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Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:10:26 GMT
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Subject:	606p01b.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.cad
Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:18:14 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > When loading the Datsville MPD file in MLCAD, it asks for two files that > I can't find anywhere. > > 1. plnxzb.dat > 2. 606p01b.dat > > Anyone know where I can find these, or how to resolve the issue? > > It also reports an error for "tmmayor.dat", but I think I know how to > fix it. > > Mike Please tell me where the reference to plnxzb.dat is. 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On 11/22/2009 12:18 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > Please tell me where the reference to plnxzb.dat is. (Parent file, line nr) > /Tore It's in town_full.dat, right after tbfire.dat. By the file name it sounds like a "plane" for the "X" and "Z" axes. So it probably was just used for orienting other models. Would it be safe to simply replace 606p01b.dat with 606p01.dat? Mike

Subject:	Re: 606p01b.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
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On 11/22/2009 2:51 PM, Michael Horvath wrote: > It's in town_full.dat, right after tbfire.dat. By the file name it > sounds like a "plane" for the "X" and "Z" axes. So it probably was just > used for orienting other models. In fact, come to think of it, I probably added it myself when I was working with the file years ago! ;) Mike

Subject:	Re: 606p01b.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > On 11/22/2009 12:18 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > Please tell me where the reference to plnxzb.dat is. (Parent file, line nr) > > /Tore > > It's in town_full.dat, right after tbfire.dat. By the file name it > sounds like a "plane" for the "X" and "Z" axes. So it probably was just > used for orienting other models. Thanks, I'll have a look at it. > Would it be safe to simply replace 606p01b.dat with 606p01.dat? I'm not sure. Check if there'll be any color changes. It may have been inlined first, then color edited. But that sounds like an awkward way to go(?) If you see no color difference, just replace the reference(s). /Tore > > Mike

Subject:	Re: 606p01b.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > Would it be safe to simply replace 606p01b.dat with 606p01.dat? > > Mike I've checked this out now, and you can't replace 606p01b.dat with 606p01.dat. It will not come out with the same colors, regardless which main color you use in the calling Type 1 line. /Tore

Subject:	Re: 606p01b.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
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On 11/22/2009 7:03 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > I've checked this out now, and you can't replace 606p01b.dat with 606p01.dat. It > will not come out with the same colors, regardless which main color you use in > the calling Type 1 line. > > /Tore Is it an official part? Why isn't it included with the official distribution? Mike

Subject:	Re: 606p01b.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > On 11/22/2009 7:03 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > I've checked this out now, and you can't replace 606p01b.dat with 606p01.dat. It > > will not come out with the same colors, regardless which main color you use in > > the calling Type 1 line. > > > > /Tore > > Is it an official part? After searching Peeron and BrickLink, I think that this is not a real LEGO part. There are more of them in Datsville. > Why isn't it included with the official distribution? If it is an existing LEGO part (which I tend to doubt), the .dat file may not have been submitted to the Tracker. Those two x772p???.dat parts must be made from existing LEGO parts, but I don't think anyone has made a better version of them yet to submit to the Tracker. /Tore

Subject:	Re: 606p01b.dat (Was: LGPL Datsville)
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In lugnet.cad, Tore Eriksson wrote: > In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > > On 11/22/2009 7:03 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > > I've checked this out now, and you can't replace 606p01b.dat with 606p01.dat. It > > > will not come out with the same colors, regardless which main color you use in > > > the calling Type 1 line. > > > > > > /Tore > > > > Is it an official part? > > After searching Peeron and BrickLink, I think that this is not a real LEGO part. > There are more of them in Datsville. > > > Why isn't it included with the official distribution? > > If it is an existing LEGO part (which I tend to doubt), the .dat file may not > have been submitted to the Tracker. Those two x772p???.dat parts must be made > from existing LEGO parts, but I don't think anyone has made a better version of > them yet to submit to the Tracker. > > /Tore Maybe we can replace them after all. Look at this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/40764264@N02/4405232940/ The orange poles indicate the occurances of x606p01b.dat. They are all in undeveloped areas, so I think it's possible to replace them with other roadplates. /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Date:	Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:31:52 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the original authors > of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be interested in changing the > license of the models for Datsville. Basically, I am interested in maybe > uploading the town to a CVS or SVN repository so that continued work can occur > in a visible and organized fashion. > > -Mike All models I have created for Datsville are to be treated as Public Domain. Feel free to use it, update file headers and part references, file names, file extensions etc. If anyone is interested in my work to rename, categorize, edit headers, and correct the files, feel free to ask for the 393 kb zip file from me. /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/22/2009 12:31 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > All models I have created for Datsville are to be treated as Public Domain. Feel > free to use it, update file headers and part references, file names, file > extensions etc. Thanks! But, is PD compatible with a LGPL or CC project? > If anyone is interested in my work to rename, categorize, edit headers, and > correct the files, feel free to ask for the 393 kb zip file from me. > > /Tore I'd like a copy. Do you have any documentation describing what you did and why you did it? Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > On 11/22/2009 12:31 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > All models I have created for Datsville are to be treated as Public Domain. Feel > > free to use it, update file headers and part references, file names, file > > extensions etc. > > Thanks! But, is PD compatible with a LGPL or CC project? I haven't got a clue. Never heard of LGPL or CC before. But I would be very surprised if my terms is more restricted in any way. My terms are: use my exactly how you like to as long as I have the right to use them the way I like. > > > If anyone is interested in my work to rename, categorize, edit headers, and > > correct the files, feel free to ask for the 393 kb zip file from me. > > > > /Tore > > I'd like a copy. Do you have any documentation describing what you did > and why you did it? I guess you already have seen this link: http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=2239 Any documentation? Ouch! You just hit my weakest point. This is why I have had to restart this project from scratch every time... Let's put it this way: I've renamed all model files to *.ldr. The first letter is Category. B for building, V for vehicle and so on The next two is auther's initials. ai for Anders Isaksson and so forth. Then I try to sqeeze some clue of what it is in the remaining five chars. An example of my model headers: 0 4558 Metroliner 0 Name: Rjwmetro.ldr 0 Was: Ttrmetro.dat 0 Author: Jonathan Wilson 0 Un-Official Datsville Railway Model 0 Parent: Town-20.ldr 0 > Mike /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/22/2009 3:32 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > I haven't got a clue. Never heard of LGPL or CC before. But I would be very > surprised if my terms is more restricted in any way. My terms are: use my > exactly how you like to as long as I have the right to use them the way I like. Well, the main difference (I think) is that if someone modifies a LGPL or CC work and distributes it on the Internet or something, he or she must also allow other people to do the same with their modified version. There are also some restrictions on selling the modified work, and differences regarding whether or not they need to provide the source code when asked (which doesn't really apply here). In the public domain, if a person makes changes to your model, he or she doesn't have to allow other people (including you) to use the changed version if they don't want to, and they can sell both the original and changed versions without any restriction. They also don't have to say that you made the original, and that they just made small changes to it (though I'm not sure whether they can say that you *didn't* make the original). Please someone correct me if I got this wrong. > I guess you already have seen this link: > http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=2239 > Any documentation? Ouch! You just hit my weakest point. This is why I have had > to restart this project from scratch every time... > Let's put it this way: I've renamed all model files to *.ldr. > The first letter is Category. B for building, V for vehicle and so on > The next two is auther's initials. ai for Anders Isaksson and so forth. > Then I try to sqeeze some clue of what it is in the remaining five chars. I was thinking that maybe the models/sub-models should be sorted into "layers", sort of like an image in a paint program. Not really sure though. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/22/2009 5:58 PM, Michael Horvath wrote: > Well, the main difference (I think) is that if someone modifies a LGPL > or CC work and distributes it on the Internet or something, he or she > must also allow other people to do the same with their modified version. > There are also some restrictions on selling the modified work, and > differences regarding whether or not they need to provide the source > code when asked (which doesn't really apply here). In the public domain, > if a person makes changes to your model, he or she doesn't have to allow > other people (including you) to use the changed version if they don't > want to, and they can sell both the original and changed versions > without any restriction. They also don't have to say that you made the > original, and that they just made small changes to it (though I'm not > sure whether they can say that you *didn't* make the original). Sorry. I just reread that and it's full of grammar mistakes. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > Sorry. I just reread that and it's full of grammar mistakes. > > Mike By no means worse than mine. I'll try to contact Martin Svensson (now Palmberg) about the Post office building. I'm certain he has no objections that we use his work. /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/23/2009 7:30 AM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > I'll try to contact Martin Svensson (now Palmberg) about the Post office > building. I'm certain he has no objections that we use his work. > > /Tore Awesome! I'll try contacting some other people this evening. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Michael Horvath wrote: > On 11/23/2009 7:30 AM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > I'll try to contact Martin Svensson (now Palmberg) about the Post office > > building. I'm certain he has no objections that we use his work. > > > > /Tore > > Awesome! I'll try contacting some other people this evening. > > Mike BTW, http://users.tpg.com.au/jfwfreo/dvpet.zip contains an updated version of my petrol station (I forget exactly how I made the stickers although they are copied of stickers from an official set) that was used when the petrol station was entered into (and won) the MOTM contest for September 2000. Feel free to make use of it (I think its better than the old sticker-less one)

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/23/2009 10:03 PM, Jonathan Wilson wrote: > BTW, http://users.tpg.com.au/jfwfreo/dvpet.zip contains an updated > version of my petrol station (I forget exactly how I made the stickers > although they are copied of stickers from an official set) that was used > when the petrol station was entered into (and won) the MOTM contest for > September 2000. Feel free to make use of it (I think its better than the > old sticker-less one) Thanks. I've uploaded it to the repository. Unfortunately, the Shell logos are trademarked and may be unusable (rather un-relicens-able). Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/23/2009 11:43 PM, Michael Horvath wrote: > Thanks. I've uploaded it to the repository. Unfortunately, the Shell > logos are trademarked and may be unusable (rather un-relicens-able). > > Mike Or, "un-re-license-able". :) Mike

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Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Here's a table of models. It includes some new submissions. http://code.google.com/p/datsville/wiki/ModelTable Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > Here's a table of models. It includes some new submissions. > > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/wiki/ModelTable > > Mike Please feel free to include my petrol hoses found in _bjwgs51.ldr as used in _bjwgas5.ldr from my unoffocial Datsville files. Rename, inline, and alter at will. It says "Author: Jonathan Wilson", but I think I made the hoses and forgot to alter the author info. But never mind, if I've made that mistake, that's alright with me. Rather that than risking to take the credit for his work. /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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I plan on using your revisions as a basis once more people start coming forward with their permissions. No need to re-invent the wheel. Also, if you would like to become a project member you can make modifications directly to the repository. I think all you need to do is register using your gmail account. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/23/2009 9:20 PM, Michael Horvath wrote: > Also, if > you would like to become a project member you can make modifications > directly to the repository. I think all you need to do is register using > your gmail account. > > Mike Of course, that offer extends to anyone else here who would like to be made a member. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Date:	Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:51:02 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > I plan on using your revisions as a basis once more people start coming > forward with their permissions. No need to re-invent the wheel. Also, if > you would like to become a project member you can make modifications > directly to the repository. I think all you need to do is register using > your gmail account. > > Mike That would be really cool! Just review them carefully first since I may have made some fatal mistakes, like at the Town Hall. I just corrected one at the Water Tower. I think it was due to the unofficial version of a part was differently oriented compared to the official one I replaced it with. I will see if I can join your project at Google Code. Some people here at Lugnet have contact with TLC officials. I wonder if TLC wouldn't be willing to let go of their exclusive rights to their intellectual properties in the spirit of Fair Play on Datsville models already included. I think it would be worth a try. Or else, we may have to alter some [small?] details in order to make them MOC's? /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/23/2009 9:51 PM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > Or else, we may have to alter some [small?] > details in order to make them MOC's? > > /Tore That wouldn't work. The MOC would have to be unrecognizable when compared to the TLC version. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Michael Horvath wrote: > > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/wiki/ModelTable May I kindly ask that you remove my email-adress ASAP. Even if it is 'protected' in an image. The email to use should be blockcad@gmail.com -- Anders Isaksson

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 11/24/2009 3:05 PM, Anders Isaksson wrote: > Michael Horvath wrote: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/datsville/wiki/ModelTable > > May I kindly ask that you remove my email-adress ASAP. Even if it is > 'protected' in an image. The email to use should be > > blockcad@gmail.com Sure thing. You *do* realize don't you that your email appears on each post you make when viewed using the LUGNET web interface? That's where I got it from. Mike

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Michael Horvath wrote: > Sure thing. You *do* realize don't you that your email appears on each > post you make when viewed using the LUGNET web interface? That's > where I got it from. Thanks. Well, the displayed adress at lugnet at least contains a 'spamblock' which makes it not *directly* useful (although any harvester is probably able to REMOVE the right thing from it...)., but I should probably change that too... It's not a big problem, I just want the most suitable adress be connected to my LEGO appearance. -- Anders Isaksson

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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I just sent an email out to the remainder of the original contributers. Hopefully they will reply soon. -- Michael Horvath mikh2161@gmail.com http://isometricland.com

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > I just sent an email out to the remainder of the original contributers. > Hopefully they will reply soon. > > Get any nibbles yet? /Tore

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 12/17/2009 7:34 AM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > > I just sent an email out to the remainder of the original contributers. > > Hopefully they will reply soon. > > > > > > Get any nibbles yet? > > /Tore Bram Lambrecht and Duane Hess gave their permission. My emails to Joachim Probst, Nicholas Allan, Rob Farver, Brian Sauls, Thomas Burger and Calvin Walton all bounced back. -- -- Michael Horvath mikh2161@gmail.com http://isometricland.com

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > On 12/17/2009 7:34 AM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > > In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > > > I just sent an email out to the remainder of the original contributers. > > > Hopefully they will reply soon. > Bram Lambrecht and Duane Hess gave their permission. My emails to > Joachim Probst, Nicholas Allan, Rob Farver, Brian Sauls, Thomas Burger > and Calvin Walton all bounced back. (I originally sent this to Michael Horvath directly, but I can post to Lugnet now, so for the public record...) Looks like you got lucky, I just happened to be poking around in some of my old bookmarks today and browsed the Lugnet news page again. I'm afraid that my old mail address is a bit out of date, as I've switched ISPs several times since the model was originally published. (Wow, that was posted 10 years ago. I was only 12 years old at the time!) You are free to apply an LGPL license to the models that I posted in the threads: http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=305 (one of the replies to this contains a better version than the original post, iirc) http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=747 http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dat/models/?n=838 and use them as you see fit! -- Calvin Walton <calvin.walton@gmail.com>

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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By the way, did you ever try and join the Google Code project? -- -- Michael Horvath mikh2161@gmail.com http://isometricland.com

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > By the way, did you ever try and join the Google Code project? Well, yes and no. I clicked on a join link, but it read something like I should contact the owner of the project to join. /T

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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On 12/22/2009 5:44 AM, Tore Eriksson wrote: > In lugnet.cad, Michael Horvath wrote: > > By the way, did you ever try and join the Google Code project? > > Well, yes and no. I clicked on a join link, but it read something like I should > contact the owner of the project to join. > > /T If you email me your username I'll add you to the project. -- -- Michael Horvath mikh2161@gmail.com http://isometricland.com

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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I created a short "to do" list here: http://code.google.com/p/datsville/wiki/ToDoList If there are any other ideas of what you'd like to see done, I'd like to hear them. -- -- Michael Horvath mikh2161@gmail.com http://isometricland.com

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Michael Horvath wrote:

I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the original authors of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be interested in changing the license of the models for Datsville.

I’m open to changing the license. (L)GPL is fine with me. I think the same goes for the Creative Commons licenses, but I would have to take a look to make sure.

Basically, I am interested in maybe uploading the town to a CVS or SVN repository so that continued work can occur in a visible and organized fashion.

A publicly visible version control repository is a very good idea. (Wouldn’t a DVCS (like Git, Mercurial or Monotone) make more sense than a CVCS?)

Play well,

Jacob

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Got around to read the other parts of the thread...

Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:

Michael Horvath wrote:

I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the original authors of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be interested in changing the license of the models for Datsville.

Please consider my contributions licensed under CC-BY-SA.

My current, primary e-mail address is jacob@sparre-andersen.dk.

Play well,

Jacob

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In lugnet.cad, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:

Got around to read the other parts of the thread...

Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:

Michael Horvath wrote:

I was wondering if there was any interest in tracking down the original authors of Datsville and seeing whethere they would be interested in changing the license of the models for Datsville.

Please consider my contributions licensed under CC-BY-SA.

My current, primary e-mail address is jacob@sparre-andersen.dk.

Play well,

Jacob

Thank you so much!! I hope you are doing well.

Michael

Subject:	Re: LGPL Datsville
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Michael Horvath wrote: > Thank you so much!! I hope you are doing well. Not doing much LEGO CAD at the moment, but otherwise doing well. Play well, Jacob -- Rowing boat (building instructions): http://lego.sparre-andersen.dk/Transport/Skibe/Rob%E5d/