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Anders Isaksson wrote:
>
> I just wrote a plugin for LDDP (LDraw DesignPad) which does
> 'SyncEdit'.
OK, my ISP has woken up, and the files can be found here:
http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/syncedit.zip Free standing .exe
http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditdll.zip Plugin for LDDP
Remember, beta software!
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Anders Isaksson wrote:
> >
> > I just wrote a plugin for LDDP (LDraw DesignPad) which does
> > 'SyncEdit'.
>
> OK, my ISP has woken up, and the files can be found here:
>
> http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/syncedit.zip Free standing .exe
> http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditdll.zip Plugin for LDDP
>
> Remember, beta software!
hi anders,
I gave it try for a specific project I'm currently working on and where I have
to actually modify the figures (beside the rounding and a general clean up) and
it works fine! have you worked on the prog in the meantime and a stable 1.0 at
hand?
it would also be great if I could prompt to LDview or prompt to LDDP (which
would then prompt to LDView) in order to have visual feedback on the changes.
say a copy to LDDP feature).
thx, w.
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Willy Tschager wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> >
> > http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/syncedit.zip Free standing .exe
> > http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditdll.zip Plugin for LDDP
> I gave it try for a specific project I'm currently working on and
> where I have to actually modify the figures (beside the rounding and
> a general clean up) and it works fine! have you worked on the prog in
> the meantime and a stable 1.0 at hand?
Thanks for your feedback! No, I haven't done anything more, but if you say
it works fine then I can bump the version number to 1.0 :-)
Have you noted any obvious bugs or crashes?
> it would also be great if I could prompt to LDview or prompt to LDDP
> (which would then prompt to LDView) in order to have visual feedback
> on the changes. say a copy to LDDP feature).
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you use the plugin with
LDDP, the text (or selected text) in the LDDP editor will be replaced with
the result from the SyncEdit plugin.
There's no obvious way for a LDDP plugin to trigger an LDView refresh, that
should be the responsibility of LDDP (just setting the polling frequency in
LDDP?).
As for the standalone version of SyncEdit, it was only made to be a quick
test bench, no external links. I don't have any current plans of extending
it.
Feel free to continue reporting bugs and suggesting changes!
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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> > it would also be great if I could prompt to LDview or prompt to LDDP
> > (which would then prompt to LDView) in order to have visual feedback
> > on the changes. say a copy to LDDP feature).
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you use the plugin with
> LDDP, the text (or selected text) in the LDDP editor will be replaced with
> the result from the SyncEdit plugin.
>
> There's no obvious way for a LDDP plugin to trigger an LDView refresh, that
> should be the responsibility of LDDP (just setting the polling frequency in
> LDDP?).
LDview has an option to reload when the file changes.
This allows me to save in MLCad/LDDP then alt tab to LDView to see the
updated view.
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web: http://personal.earlsoft.co.uk
phone: +44 (0)780 8369596
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In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Willy Tschager wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> > >
> > > http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/syncedit.zip Free standing .exe
> > > http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditdll.zip Plugin for LDDP
>
> > I gave it try for a specific project I'm currently working on and
> > where I have to actually modify the figures (beside the rounding and
> > a general clean up) and it works fine! have you worked on the prog in
> > the meantime and a stable 1.0 at hand?
>
> Thanks for your feedback! No, I haven't done anything more, but if you say
> it works fine then I can bump the version number to 1.0 :-)
>
> Have you noted any obvious bugs or crashes?
nope 'til now.
> > it would also be great if I could prompt to LDview or prompt to LDDP
> > (which would then prompt to LDView) in order to have visual feedback
> > on the changes. say a copy to LDDP feature).
>
> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you use the plugin with
> LDDP, the text (or selected text) in the LDDP editor will be replaced with
> the result from the SyncEdit plugin.
>
> There's no obvious way for a LDDP plugin to trigger an LDView refresh, that
> should be the responsibility of LDDP (just setting the polling frequency in
> LDDP?).
>
> Feel free to continue reporting bugs and suggesting changes!
my usual approce to work my way through the code is polling to LDView with
"Poll to selected line only" enabled and LDView's feature "View -> Always on
top" turned on, so I can run LDView in a small window in order to have immediate
visual feedback.
say I wanna make some changes to a couple of tripples. I fire up SyncEdit and
change the first tripple. hang on! does it look right? instead of just coping
the current content of SyncEdit (containing my changes) back to LDDP I have to
hit "OK" which will close the prog :-( to do the rest I have to start up
SyncEdit again: right click, move to Plugins, move to SyncEdit ... select the
line ... change the tripple. dude, I don't have the patience for all those
clicks ;-) couldn't you code in something like LDView's "Always on top" and a
copy button?
I'd also like to see a tolerance box. you enter 0.005 and SyncEdit not only
marks -3.085 0 6.234 in the first two lines but also the -3.085 0 6.239 in the
third (in a different color?):
// 3 6 -2.864 0 6.532 -3.085 0 6.234 -3.232 0 6.305
// 3 16 -2.864 0 6.532 -2.609 0 6.297 -3.085 0 6.234
// 3 16 -2.609 0 6.297 -2.937 0 6.119 -3.084 0 6.239
sometimes I get rounding errors because the output of my cad-prog is quite
messy. the tolerance feature could not only work around this problem, but also
used to detect actual rounding errors.
as you already have figured out I'm a lazy guy. selecting the line and then
hitting two times the "next" button just to hop to the last tripple are two
clicks too much. how about selecting the tripple right away?
please give me also the possibility to change all red into blue. you know
substituting the color code 4 with color 1, gold (383) instead of main color
(16).
last but not least. when I start up SyncEdit I cannot make any modifications in
LDDP. I wish I could just jump from the plugin to the prog and back at my will,
with every change copied automatically to the prog or the plugin. basically it
is an extention of the request above.
hmmm ... quite a long list ... many thx in anticipation for fullfilling my wild
dreams :-)))
w.
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In lugnet.cad, Willy Tschager wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> > Willy Tschager wrote:
> > > In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/syncedit.zip Free standing .exe
> > > > http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditdll.zip Plugin for LDDP
> >
> > > I gave it try for a specific project I'm currently working on and
> > > where I have to actually modify the figures (beside the rounding and
> > > a general clean up) and it works fine! have you worked on the prog in
> > > the meantime and a stable 1.0 at hand?
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback! No, I haven't done anything more, but if
> > you say it works fine then I can bump the version number to 1.0 :-)
> >
> > Have you noted any obvious bugs or crashes?
>
> nope 'til now.
> > > it would also be great if I could prompt to LDview or prompt to
> > > LDDP (which would then prompt to LDView) in order to have visual
> > > feedback on the changes. say a copy to LDDP feature).
> > I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. If you use the plugin
> > with LDDP, the text (or selected text) in the LDDP editor will be
> > replaced with the result from the SyncEdit plugin.
> >
> > There's no obvious way for a LDDP plugin to trigger an LDView
> > refresh, that should be the responsibility of LDDP (just setting
> > the polling frequency in LDDP?).
> >
> > Feel free to continue reporting bugs and suggesting changes!
> my usual approce to work my way through the code is polling to
> LDView with "Poll to selected line only" enabled and LDView's
> feature "View -> Always on top" turned on, so I can run LDView in a
> small window in order to have immediate visual feedback.
> say I wanna make some changes to a couple of tripples. I fire up
> SyncEdit and change the first tripple. hang on! does it look right?
> instead of just coping the current content of SyncEdit (containing
> my changes) back to LDDP I have to hit "OK" which will close the
> prog :-( to do the rest I have to start up SyncEdit again: right
> click, move to Plugins, move to SyncEdit ... select the line
> ... change the tripple. dude, I don't have the patience for all
> those clicks ;-) couldn't you code in something like LDView's
> "Always on top" and a copy button?
[snipping other suggestions...]
> last but not least. when I start up SyncEdit I cannot make any
> modifications in LDDP. I wish I could just jump from the plugin to
> the prog and back at my will, with every change copied automatically
> to the prog or the plugin. basically it is an extention of the
> request above.
Sounds like you want a wrapper plugin to start up the executable
version of syncedit and return control to LDDP right away. I did
something like this years ago with the ldlist wrapper plugin.
http://ldglite.cvs.sourceforge.net/ldglite/ldglite/plugins/pluginldlist.c?revision=1.1&view=markup
Then you could theoretically work in both the LDDP and syncedit
windows with the ldview window displaying any updates, as long as you
can make syncedit and LDDP poll the file for changes like ldview.
This could be even better if LDDP and the syncedit executable both
supported the ldlist style drag and drop, but I don't know if that
ever got implemented in LDDP.
http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dev/?n=8982
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Don Heyse wrote:
>
> Sounds like you want a wrapper plugin to start up the executable
> version of syncedit and return control to LDDP right away. I did
> something like this years ago with the ldlist wrapper plugin.
>
> http://ldglite.cvs.sourceforge.net/ldglite/ldglite/plugins/pluginldlist.c?revision=1.1&view=markup
>
> Then you could theoretically work in both the LDDP and syncedit
> windows with the ldview window displaying any updates, as long as you
> can make syncedit and LDDP poll the file for changes like ldview.
Can a LDDP plugin get the name of the current file? AFAICS it's only given
the contents of the editor buffer (or just the selection). Without the file
name there's no way to do any polling, and when it's given the selection
only it's imperative that the file is not overwritten with only these lines!
> This could be even better if LDDP and the syncedit executable both
> supported the ldlist style drag and drop, but I don't know if that
> ever got implemented in LDDP.
I don't think ldlist D&D is implemented in LDDP (pity!), and IIRC the ldlist
D&D is one part at a time only. If so it's not very easy to drag a whole
buffer from SyncEdit to LDDP using this protocol.
It almost seems like LDDP needs a new kind of 'plugin' ('plug-beside') that
can be live at the same time as LDDP, and gets automatic sync messages from
LDDP (and vice versa). The easiest way might be to let LDDP start an
external .exe with a (or maybe two, one for each direction)temporary file
and a window handle as the arguments, making it possible for LDDP to signal
the external program, and the external program to signal LDDP when the text
has been changed.
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Can a LDDP plugin get the name of the current file? AFAICS it's only given
> the contents of the editor buffer (or just the selection). Without the file
> name there's no way to do any polling, and when it's given the selection
> only it's imperative that the file is not overwritten with only these lines!
>
> > This could be even better if LDDP and the syncedit executable both
> > supported the ldlist style drag and drop, but I don't know if that
> > ever got implemented in LDDP.
>
> I don't think ldlist D&D is implemented in LDDP (pity!), and IIRC the ldlist
> D&D is one part at a time only. If so it's not very easy to drag a whole
> buffer from SyncEdit to LDDP using this protocol.
>
> It almost seems like LDDP needs a new kind of 'plugin' ('plug-beside') that
> can be live at the same time as LDDP, and gets automatic sync messages from
> LDDP (and vice versa). The easiest way might be to let LDDP start an
> external .exe with a (or maybe two, one for each direction)temporary file
> and a window handle as the arguments, making it possible for LDDP to signal
> the external program, and the external program to signal LDDP when the text
> has been changed.
I think LDDP does already have support for *one* configurable external
program. Put a %0 in the args list to make LDDP pass the name of the
temp file to the external program. I used to add a -p to the args list
to tell ldglite to poll the file for changes, but I don't remember if
LDDP also polls the file for changes. Anyhow, you might be able to do
the same sort of thing with syncedit.exe.
It'd be nice if LDDP could support more than one external program, like
it does with plugins.
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Don Heyse wrote:
> It'd be nice if LDDP could support more than one external program,
> like it does with plugins.
The version 1.5.7.0 of LDDP that I have installed supports any number of
external programs, although the interface for adding them is a bit
non-intuitive.
Unfortunately, looking at the sources, I find no place where LDDP re-reads
the text buffer after activating an external program (it can work in WAIT or
NOWAIT mode), it seems it's mainly intended for viewers. Of course, a
workaround is to let the external program put it's result to the clipboard,
and manually paste that into LDDP or fiddle with Windows messages to do the
pasting automatically, but it feels like an unsafe way to work. Maybe I
should experiment a bit with SyncEdit.exe?
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Of course, a workaround is to let the external program put
> it's result to the clipboard, and manually paste that into LDDP
OK, I modified the standalone version a bit. It is now suitable to be used
as a 'User-defined program' in LDDP (the 'Parameter' field in LDDP should be
set to '%0'). Note that such programs can *only* work with the full file,
not selections in LDDP. Remember that you have to paste the results yourself
into the right window in LDDP (CTRL-A, CTRL-V)
http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditsa.zip
There is no automatic update of the SyncEdit window when you change anything
in the LDDP window, it *might* be possible to do even though there is no
setting for automatic saving of the buffer for user-defined programs, only
for LDView and L3Lab, but it looks like the file name used is the same.
> or fiddle with Windows messages to do the pasting automatically, but it
> feels like an unsafe way to work
This isn't really doable, as LDDP is a MDI program (can have many files open
at the same time) and there's no way for an external program to be sure that
the right file window is still open and has focus.
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Anders Isaksson wrote:
> > Of course, a workaround is to let the external program put
> > it's result to the clipboard, and manually paste that into LDDP
>
> OK, I modified the standalone version a bit. It is now suitable to be used
> as a 'User-defined program' in LDDP (the 'Parameter' field in LDDP should be
> set to '%0'). Note that such programs can *only* work with the full file,
> not selections in LDDP. Remember that you have to paste the results yourself
> into the right window in LDDP (CTRL-A, CTRL-V)
many thx,anders. I'll test it. question though: CRTL-A for copy? most progs use:
CTRL-C for "copy", CTRL-V for "paste", CTRL-X for "cut" while CTRL-A is used for
"select all". a typo?
bye, w.
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Willy Tschager wrote:
> many thx,anders. I'll test it. question though: CRTL-A for copy? most
> progs use: CTRL-C for "copy", CTRL-V for "paste", CTRL-X for "cut"
> while CTRL-A is used for "select all". a typo?
No, what I mean is:
'OK' or 'Send to Clipboard' in SyncEdit does an automatic 'copy', then in
LDDP you should do CTRL-A (Select all), CTRL-V (Paste) to replace the
contents of the edit buffer. Remember, a 'plug beside .exe' always gets the
full file, never just the lines that are selected in LDDP (while a plugin
will get the full file if nothing is selected, the selection otherwise).
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Anders Isaksson wrote:
> > Of course, a workaround is to let the external program put
> > it's result to the clipboard, and manually paste that into LDDP
>
> OK, I modified the standalone version a bit. It is now suitable to be used
> as a 'User-defined program' in LDDP (the 'Parameter' field in LDDP should be
> set to '%0'). Note that such programs can *only* work with the full file,
> not selections in LDDP. Remember that you have to paste the results yourself
> into the right window in LDDP (CTRL-A, CTRL-V)
>
> http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditsa.zip
works! thank you. as this is the standalone version I'll repeat my request for a
"Always on top" feature. is this doable? I also glimps for a split second an
about dialog when I start-up the prog. how about moving the about dialog into an
about button. I just had the feeling I missed some key info. I was up to ask for
an "undo" when I found out that I just can undo the paste in LDDP and fire up
Syncedit agian ... well ... it wouldn't hurt ...
cheers, w.
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Willy Tschager wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> > Have you noted any obvious bugs or crashes?
>
> nope 'til now.
Good.
> say I wanna make some changes to a couple of tripples. I fire up
> SyncEdit and change the first tripple. hang on! does it look right?
> instead of just coping the current content of SyncEdit (containing my
> changes) back to LDDP I have to hit "OK" which will close the prog
> :-( to do the rest I have to start up SyncEdit again: right click,
> move to Plugins, move to SyncEdit ... select the line ... change the
> tripple.
> last but not least. when I start up SyncEdit I cannot make any
> modifications in LDDP. I wish I could just jump from the plugin to
> the prog and back at my will, with every change copied automatically
> to the prog or the plugin. basically it is an extention of the
> request above.
That's a problem with (or rather limitation in) the LDDP plugin interface.
Plugins are expected to do *one* thing, and then return to LDDP. I don't
know anything about the LDDP source, who's maintaining it, etc.
> couldn't you code in something like LDView's "Always on top" and a
> copy button?
No. A plugin doesn't have access to any of the LDDP settings, doesn't know
the path to LDView, doesn't know the name of the (temporary?) file LDDP is
editing, and so on. I would have to duplicate all the code to find LDView,
start a separate copy of it on a temporary file etc. Too much work :-(
> I'd also like to see a tolerance box. you enter 0.005 and SyncEdit
> not only marks -3.085 0 6.234 in the first two lines but also the
> -3.085 0 6.239 in the third (in a different color?)
Shouldn't be too difficult. No promises about when, though...
> as you already have figured out I'm a lazy guy. selecting the line
> and then hitting two times the "next" button just to hop to the last
> tripple are two clicks too much. how about selecting the tripple
> right away?
Shouldn't be too difficult. No promises about when, though...
> please give me also the possibility to change all red into blue. you
> know substituting the color code 4 with color 1, gold (383) instead
> of main color (16).
That would be another plugin - ReplaceColors (it's not written yet), or
rather directly built into LDDP.
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Willy Tschager wrote:
> >
> > say I wanna make some changes to a couple of tripples. I fire up
> > SyncEdit and change the first tripple. hang on! does it look right?
> > instead of just coping the current content of SyncEdit (containing my
> > changes) back to LDDP I have to hit "OK" which will close the prog
> > :-( to do the rest I have to start up SyncEdit again: right click,
> > move to Plugins, move to SyncEdit ... select the line ... change the
> > tripple.
>
> > last but not least. when I start up SyncEdit I cannot make any
> > modifications in LDDP. I wish I could just jump from the plugin to
> > the prog and back at my will, with every change copied automatically
> > to the prog or the plugin. basically it is an extention of the
> > request above.
>
> That's a problem with (or rather limitation in) the LDDP plugin interface.
> Plugins are expected to do *one* thing, and then return to LDDP. I don't
> know anything about the LDDP source, who's maintaining it, etc.
check out:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lddp/
orion has taken over the project from carsten schmitz, who still figures as one
of the admins, but it's mr. "redoctober" who works the queue of my wild dreams:
http://www.holly-wood.it/wishlist-lddp.html
(I think the list dates back to version 1.56 so you may see some of the requests
already as part of LDDP)
> > please give me also the possibility to change all red into blue. you
> > know substituting the color code 4 with color 1, gold (383) instead
> > of main color (16).
>
> That would be another plugin - ReplaceColors (it's not written yet), or
> rather directly built into LDDP.
you're right but the side effect would be that I finally get all the lines with
the same color highlighted. I usually mark the different portions of a part with
different colors and sometimes they are spread all over the code and it gets
hard to spot them without a highlight.
w.
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Willy Tschager wrote:
>
> check out:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lddp/
Yes, of course! I got the plugin spec from there. The problem for me is that
LDDP is written in Delphi 6 and I only have version 5 at home (D2006 at
work). Also, I'm not sure the sources are complete - if I try to open the
LDDP project in D5 I get *lots* of messages about things that are missing,
not only the obvious differences between D6 and D5 but also a lot of
unobvious things so I gave up trying to do anything with the LDDP source :-(
> you're right but the side effect would be that I finally get all the
> lines with the same color highlighted.
But you wouldn't have any use for the highlighting unless the plugin is also
changed into a full-blown editor :-(
This definitely should be implemented inside LDDP, not as a plugin (unless
LDDP gets a richer plugin interface which makes it possible to write 'live'
plugins, as we discussed in the other posts).
--
Anders Isaksson, Sweden
BlockCAD: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/proglego.htm
Gallery: http://web.telia.com/~u16122508/gallery/index.htm
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In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> Willy Tschager wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Anders Isaksson wrote:
> > >
> > > http://web.telia.com/~u16122953/synceditdll.zip Plugin for LDDP
>
> Thanks for your feedback! No, I haven't done anything more, but if you say
> it works fine then I can bump the version number to 1.0 :-)
>
> Have you noted any obvious bugs or crashes?
the tweaked stand-alone works fine. the plug-in substitutes the orignal content
with nothing/clipboard content when hitting the cancel button independently if
you selected something or copied the whole file to the plug-in.
w.
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