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In lugnet.admin.terms, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Allister McLaren wrote:
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I stand by every word I write here, and have no problem with them reading it.
Even a child can clearly see what’s really going on.
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Yep.
To summarise, Eric’s in the wrong regarding posting auctionspam, and regarding
using material of others without permission, and you and your gang of trolls
are using that as an excuse to be disruptive, make fun of him, and egg him on
(knowing that you can easily get a rise out of him) instead of just letting it
go, since there’s a leadership vacuum here, and has been for some time, with
no foreseeable leadership in the offing.
That’s about the size of it, in my view.
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Hmmm, well lets list this so-called “Gang of trolls” shall we?
(In no particular order)
Timothy Gould
Soren Roberts
Mark Neumann
David Koudys
Jeff Stembel
Keith Goldman
Bryce McGlone
Allister McLaren
Joseph Williams
Matt Hein
Ross Crawford
I probably missed some, yada yada.
Let’s look at the people who replied to the “Gand of trolls” (again in no
particular order):
Eric Sophie
Marc Nelson Jr
Rick Manzo
Mark Papenfuss
Larry Pieniazek
Jas Nagra
Lindsay Frederick Braun
Paul Sinasohn
Maggie Cambron (indirect “me
too” post)
Dave
Schuler
I probably missed some, yada yada.
The interesting thing is that the posts on the second list generated a
comparable number of direct responses as those on the first. So are they a “Gang
of anti-trolls”?
Sure reads that way to me.
And is a “Gang of anti-trolls” any better or worse than a “Gang of trolls”?
ROSCO
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Allister McLaren wrote:
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I stand by every word I write here, and have no problem with them reading
it. Even a child can clearly see what’s really going on.
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Yep.
To summarise, Eric’s in the wrong regarding posting auctionspam, and
regarding using material of others without permission, and you and your gang
of trolls are using that as an excuse to be disruptive, make fun of him, and
egg him on (knowing that you can easily get a rise out of him) instead of
just letting it go, since there’s a leadership vacuum here, and has been for
some time, with no foreseeable leadership in the offing.
That’s about the size of it, in my view.
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Hmmm, well lets list this so-called “Gang of trolls” shall we?
(In no particular order)
Timothy Gould
Soren Roberts
Mark Neumann
David Koudys
Jeff Stembel
Keith Goldman
Bryce McGlone
Allister McLaren
Joseph Williams
Matt Hein
Ross Crawford
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That might be YOUR list of trolls but it’s not mine. Mine is much shorter
Allister, Soren, Ross
I mean, really... putting kind, helpful, courteous, and thoughtful David Koudys
in the same list as Allister? That’s a bit of a stretch.
Hope that helps.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Ross Crawford wrote:
That might be YOUR list of trolls but it’s not mine. Mine is much shorter
Allister, Soren, Ross
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Wow! Such a short list! And no sign of the esteemed Messers Dulin or Arthur!
Oh and you seem to have omitted your list of anti-trolls.
ROSCO
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
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Wow! Such a short list! And no sign of the esteemed Messers Dulin or Arthur!
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Maybe you esteem them, but I don’t. Anyway, I didn’t see them in this thread,
which is the thread I was talking about, but if they turn up and act like
Allister or Soren or you, I’ll be sure to add them to my mental list.
Here’s the thing, Eric is wrong and everyone else chastising him for his
outlandish behaviour is right, in spirit, but the right thing to do was not
to flame about it, make up rude pictures, or be a butt, it was to point it out
and leave it at that. Then, to move on, or perhaps even send a note to the
admins here asking/demanding/pleading that something be done, instead of using
ridicule as a weapon in public.
Doing that is just wrong. That’s the major part of the trollish behaviour of
Allister and Soren. Your trollish behaviour, on the other hand, is of a
different, subtler sort. There are a few other people in this thread that ought
to know better but I don’t see them being out and out trolls the way the three
of you are in this thread.
There ain’t jack for enforcement around here, so the trolls get away with it,
and even (see Allister’s latest stuff) apparently relish in it. If there was any
rule of law here any more, a bunch of posts would have been murfled and a bunch
of timeouts handed out. (not just Eric, mind you, although he’s probably due
for a pretty long one for his behaviour, but several other people in this thread
could use one as well)
But, the trolls are safe. It is not committees or discussions or studies that
are needed, it is someone, or some set of someones, operating with a clear
mandate from the owners, empowered to be decisive, and acting on that
empowerment. Murfle the things that need murfling, hand out timeouts to the
people that need them, and not put up with a lot of gafla. The closest we came
to that was last year, but it became obvious that when the community squawked a
bit, the owners didn’t have what it takes to stand by the people they empowered,
so ... so much for that idea.
There isn’t jack for enforcement here, and whatever talk Suz talks, I’m not
seeing any prospects for any... not any time soon, if ever.
Whatever. Too bad, really.
Now, if you’re true to form, you’re not going to respond substantively, you’re
just going to keep picking away at irrelevancies but hey, prove me wrong.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
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Wow! Such a short list! And no sign of the esteemed Messers Dulin or Arthur!
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Maybe you esteem them, but I don’t. Anyway, I didn’t see them in this
thread, which is the thread I was talking about, but if they turn up and act
like Allister or Soren or you, I’ll be sure to add them to my mental list.
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Well it’s more than mental now.
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Here’s the thing, Eric is wrong and everyone else chastising him for his
outlandish behaviour is right, in spirit, but the right thing to do was
not to flame about it, make up rude pictures, or be a butt, it was to point
it out and leave it at that. Then, to move on, or perhaps even send a note to
the admins here asking/demanding/pleading that something be done, instead of
using ridicule as a weapon in public.
Doing that is just wrong. That’s the major part of the trollish behaviour of
Allister and Soren. Your trollish behaviour, on the other hand, is of a
different, subtler sort.
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Please explain. I’m truly interested.
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There are a few other people in this thread that
ought to know better but I don’t see them being out and out trolls the way
the three of you are in this thread.
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Who? Ought to know better than to do what?
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There ain’t jack for enforcement around here, so the trolls get away with it,
and even (see Allister’s latest stuff) apparently relish in it. If there was
any rule of law here any more, a bunch of posts would have been murfled and a
bunch of timeouts handed out. (not just Eric, mind you, although he’s
probably due for a pretty long one for his behaviour, but several other
people in this thread could use one as well)
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Which ones in particular, and why?
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But, the trolls are safe. It is not committees or discussions or studies that
are needed, it is someone, or some set of someones, operating with a clear
mandate from the owners, empowered to be decisive, and acting on that
empowerment. Murfle the things that need murfling, hand out timeouts to the
people that need them, and not put up with a lot of gafla. The closest we
came to that was last year, but it became obvious that when the community
squawked a bit, the owners didn’t have what it takes to stand by the people
they empowered, so ... so much for that idea.
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Indeed.
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There isn’t jack for enforcement here, and whatever talk Suz talks, I’m not
seeing any prospects for any... not any time soon, if ever.
Whatever. Too bad, really.
Now, if you’re true to form, you’re not going to respond substantively,
you’re just going to keep picking away at irrelevancies but hey, prove me
wrong.
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I’ve given up trying to prove things to you Larry. Whatever I say, you assert
that I’ve proved something to you about my character anyway, so why bother?
ROSCO
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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That might be YOUR list of trolls but it’s not mine. Mine is much shorter
Allister, Soren, Ross
I mean, really... putting kind, helpful, courteous, and thoughtful David
Koudys in the same list as Allister? That’s a bit of a stretch.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks Lar. I love you too. :kiss:
I would like to add that since this post, I’ve had a flood of applications of
people wanting to join the ‘gang of trolls’. These applications are currently
under consideration and I’ll post an updated list un due course.
Cheers,
Allister
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