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(...) ::Thinks:: For crying out loud, it's Lego! Build what you want! Build it with grey ones. If you don't like it, change it back. Have you paid for it? Yes? Well, it's yours now. Go crazy. Have some FUN! Sorry, did I think that out loud? Anyway, (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Please. It's a Diseasal, so it'll look ugly whichever one you use :) I _do_ own 3 steam railway engines...even if they are 'only' 3/4" scale, and can only pull ~1000 lbs or so (well, 2 of 3 can). I am also building my metroliner 10001 today. (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Hey all of my diesel's are beautiful to me! Although the steamersare still awsome. Josh (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Woha there. Hold onto them stallions... (...) Actually, isn't it electric? The pantographs (?) at the top should give it away... (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) heehee....touche:-) -John (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) c /ugly/elegant and efficient/ Grow up, people. Steam lost. It costs too much. (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) No, touchy :-) Anyway, here's a real engine (since improved... more pics later): (URL) J Railton (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ooh... that's cute. I especially like how you worked the letters and gold trim into the tender side. Very nice work indeed. Can't wait for more pics. But please note, I DID say "that's cute" not "that's a big brawny beefy serious engine you (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) <snip> (...) I'd actually say that WAS a brawny beefy loco (i know thats not what you mean larry!) I think that british locos (both steam and diesel/electric) are harder to reproduduce because they have all their pipework etc hidden away, thus (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yikes! Did you mean for your response to Jason's joke to sound so venomous? I didn't think the discussion was intended to upset. Also, for die-hard, steam fans, steam may have lost, but it's far from dead, and who knows, it seems it could (...) (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Thanks for the compliments, Larry and Tim. I'll do some more pictures when I get some time. I've got a cheap camera, so I need to experiment to get good lighting. Tim's right, it's hard to capture the character of trains like this through (...) (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Venemous??? Hardly! (...) I don't think it did! Jason's slagging me right back. (...) Plenty cool. Don't get me wrong, steam is neat. Steam engines are impressive. It's just not practical. It can never convert as high a percentage of input (...) (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) lol I don't think that that was Lar's intention at all, Rick. I think his troll is worse than his byte... (ouch, even *I* grimaced at that one:-) ++John (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'd take serious challenge to that statement. The best steam only power plants are in the 45-47% range of effiency (input to output). Mind you, they DON"T MOVE!... When done correctly, steam has a cycle effiency of ~12% on the rails (I can get (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) You can challenge it all you want. But you're not arguing with ME, you're arguing with thermodynamics. (unless you can show I've misapplied it) (...) and I bet their operating temperature differential is higher, too, being stationary. That's (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm not, since that can lead to ratios greater than one which is wrong. It's (operating - ambient)/operating which means run in colder climates (absolute zero is ideal if you can find it... hence heat engines can be quite efficient in shaded (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Since I'm quite sure you are arguing (Larry? Argue??) temperatures that are well above the range that LEGO trains run, I'd suggest .off-topic.geek... JohnG, GMLTC (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) lol good point, J-1-- getting a little too esoteric for we simple folk;-) J-2 (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I can ask, but I believe the info was 1050F x3 reheat stages, and 47.5% overall. Yes, they are all governed by Carnot cycle (diesel and steam both...) (...) Yep. So did Stirling, who had it even better, since his cycle with regenerator is (...) (23 years ago, 2-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Whilst we are getting all esoteric about steam engines, I was reminded of a presentation I saw a week so ago which partly covered Brunel's “Atmospheric Railway”. Basically, IKB tried to built a steam powered railway without a “locomotive”… and (...) (23 years ago, 14-Mar-02, to lugnet.trains)
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