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(...) not (...) I don't see this as a problem. I think one of the real problems is that people went to see TPM, expecting it to be a stylistic copy of ANH: a swashbuckling adventure against a powerful Empire. That's not what it's about. TPM was (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) George Lucas, most notably. (...) At the same time, one cannot ignore the actual problems with the plot, whether or not someone else decides to "pay attention" or not. Further, "paying attention" to the plot doesn't simply mean carefully (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Very true. It is intended to show the fall of the Old Republic, the skillful connivings of a little known senator from Naboo, and how one boy can have such a dramatic effect on the fate of the universe. (...) Me, if it's one of the Kevin J. (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) what (...) and (...) But how can you make those notes and/or reflect on anything if you didn't pay attention to the plot to begin with? I can't tell you how many times I've asked people to explain their opinion and they can't tell me why they (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) <snipped> Agreed. TPM is about a different time. I didn't expect it to be a copy of any of the originals, in fact I liked it a lot. Here's another thought, in the 'dark times' that we see during the height of the Empire, friendship may be more (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Um, Dr. Evil, um, we couldn't get the mutated sea bass...Animal cruelty laws.. :-) Toki (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) We're basically agreeing here, though our aesthetic opinions are in conflict. Thoughtful criticism demands close viewing/reading. Perhaps the problem is less specifically with plot than with particular elements of pacing and story. The (...) (24 years ago, 31-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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Throw me a bone, here, People. ~Mark P.S. Just to keep this on-topic.... I like Star Wars! (...) laws.. (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) technobabble of the (...) Yeah, I didn't like that either. I preferred the mysticism and the "gift" type of thing better. ~M (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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What Kevin J. Anderson book are you talking about? Or are you talking about several or all of his books? I read a few of his thought they were pretty good. Adam (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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WARNING: There's a grand amount of soap-boxing going on in this post. I've already posted these ideas before, but a long time ago ... ahh well, it's time to air out the attic, I guess. Please feel free to ignore me, I always do :) (...) I always (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I can't agree more. This midichlorian thing is the one and only thing that I never apologize, in any condition. Jat Jar, ewoks, some stupidity about the plot are all could be accepted in extend, but this midichlorian thing!.. It completely (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) way. (...) Now maybe it is just me but the second viewing I had this overwhelming thought that Qui-Gon knew he was taking the real Queen out on Tattooine. It also seemed he kept trying to call her bluff. i.e. "The Queen trusts my Judgement and (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Lucas said at one point before the movie (as an answer to a question about whether there would be a lightsaber duel in TPM) that what we had seen up until now (ie, the first three movies) was old men past their prime and a young kid who had no (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) a (...) What?! Anderson does a far more competent job than Zahn. I swear Zahn thought he was writing Trek novels. Lets see he describes Turbolasers as a beam (like phasers) in stead of bolts, he gave and X-wing a crappy sub-space antena (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) until (...) Fascinating. I got that idea just from watching the 4 exsisting movies. And people say Lucas doesn't know how to tell a story. I reserve final Judgement on everything till I can spend a day watching all 6 movies. -Lord Insanity (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Irrelevant. I'm not saying "George should have done such-and-such to realize George's vision better"--I'm saying that George could have done such- and-such to make a better film. Whatever else it is, it is also a film. (...) Not really. He (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Zahn thought (...) beam (...) antena (...) have (...) really bad (...) Oh PL-EEEEEEASE. Kevin Anderson's Jedi Academy Trilogy was built-up and built-up... over the course of three books, and then they solve the whole thing by holding hands at (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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In lugnet.starwars, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) because (...) "vision." To paraphrase a wise man, that depends greatly on your point of view. You may see it as an investment of your money. I think George sees it as his movie, and people happen (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Specifically, I'm referring to Champions of the Force, Dave Apprentice, and Jedi Search. These books were...awful. Half of the force users were inept morons at the beginning of the book. By the end, they were doing things even Yoda wasn't (...) (24 years ago, 1-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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I never read any books from any of the two authors you are mentioning here, but here is a good reading, from one of the most "trusty" (IMHO of course) SW reference sites around the net: (URL) "Post ROTJ Apocrypha" Actually all of the site is full (...) (24 years ago, 2-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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I liked both trilogys. However, I came away from Zahn's trilogy with a better feeling than I did with Anderson's trilogy. I kind of felt like Anderson was trying to cash in on Zahn's success, but I still found the books to be quite good. I agree (...) (24 years ago, 2-Jun-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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