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In lugnet.space, Matthew Gerber writes:
> In lugnet.space, Tom McDonald writes:
> > In lugnet.space, Mark Sandlin writes:
> > > Apparently, when the show begins, Starfleet Exists, but the UFP does not.
> >
> > Then I think that already mucks with the first technical manual put out back
> > in the 70's.
>
> It seems to me that the time of ST:E involves Earths first steps outside our
> own solar system (warp speeds are only 100 years new to Earth, and speeds
> beyond warp 1 are new in ST:E). If all of the Eugenics Wars and WWIII are
> over and done with, then there would be one united Earth government, and
> they have developed their starfleet (like any other planet would). And
> speaking of the Technical Manual, who else has the original printing bound
> into the vinyl cover?
It can be identified by its date, printed November 1975, and the volume
seemingly has two covers: the inside tucked into the vinyl hardcover is a
big red paperback with black printing; the black vinyl outside has a clear
transparent front pocket in which is a sheet of paper tucked having the
book's title with 4 color print.
> > In the old manual the UFP charter provides for, among other things, a
> > starfleet, of which there were originally 13 heavy cruiser Constitution
> > Class I starships
My bad. A rereading of Chapter VIII Article 53 Part 1 provides for 14 of
those ships (all identified and named in the manual), though the original
series seemed to violate that as well with a ship called "Defiant" which
looked like a Constitution Class ship but is not mentioned in the manual. So
who cares. :)
> I believe the charter of the UFP refers to new build ships, undertaken by
> all the member races, so I'm fairly certain this explains 1) why the
> producers of ST:E feel they can get away with invoking yet ANOTHER
> Enterprise into the time-line,
Agreed. The mechanism exists purely for the show.
> 2) what happens to this 'original' Starship
> Enterprise...it'll be destroyed or torn-down or re-fitted or something.
When the series ends, it makes sense to expect to see somebody's daydream
design of the ship for the next generation: NCC-1701.
From the manual's point of view, the language in Chapter III Article 7 Part
1 establishes the various agencies of the UFP, but it doesn't explicitly
state that an entity known as Starfleet doesn't already exist. Yet if you
look at ..Part 1 it establishes: a supreme assembly, a federation council,
an economic and social council, a trusteeship council, an interplanetary
supreme court of justice, and a secretariat as well as star fleet combined
peace-keeping force. Strictly going with language like that, it seems
unlikely that Starfleet could have possessed the cohesiveness and authority
without even some of those agenices already in place to some degree.
> I like that what I have seen so far points to the Vulcans basically
> stiffling the human endevors to acheive higher warp speeds...essentially
> keeping us in our own galaxy, and away from the rest of the universe. The
> conflicts should make for really good story fodder.
More than likely, their initial assessment of humanity is that we're too
silly for space (not logical enough :)
> > And BTW, what the heck is a Klingon anyway?
>
> And will they have hair, or chicken-breasts, on their heads? I can't wait to
> see if they FINALLY answer THAT burning question! ("We don't like to talk
> about it!"-Worf)
I expect we won't find that out until at least the second season :)
-Tom McD.
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