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Re: Announcing Classic-Space Forums
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lugnet.off-topic.fun
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Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:11:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Tom McDonald wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Douglas R. Clark wrote:
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In lugnet.space, Tom McDonald wrote:
I just went over and looked around. I read the rules for the space forum
and the moc forum. Sounds rather unfriendly to me... don’t know if I’ll
ever post there.
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First, thanks for visiting. It’s more than some others have admitted to
doing.
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my only real complaint so far is that I cannot find the scroll bars against the
black background. Makes it hard to read longer threads
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Posted: Yesterday 12:14 am Post subject: Forum Rules - READ FIRST
2 . Proper spelling and grammar count. Do try to make your posts readable!
5 . Beware teh Kevoh.
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What the heck is up with rule #5? Maybe you ought to follow your rule #2.
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Heh, humor. I love it. CSF’s and yours.
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What is Kevoh anyways and why should I beware of him/it? How the heck am I
supposed to follow a rule that doesn’t make any sense? Having that in there
seems like you tried to interject a bit of sarcasim/humor; but by doing so
kinda invalidates the rest of the rules. “If rule #5 is a joke then are the
rest of them serious or not?”
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This is very Andy Rooney-ish. But I should mention that rules aren’t
invalidated by humor.
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I have no problem following a set of rules that make sense and are orderly.
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Posted: Yesterday 9:21 pm Post subject: MOC RULES - READ FIRST!
1 . All threads must be MOC announcements. NO exceptions!
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This applies to one forum only. Let me make that clear here to those who
haven’t bothered visiting.
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Oops, I didn’t mean to imply that was the the rule for all forums. I did try to
include the Post subject on both sets so it would be clear that they came from
different forums.
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3 . Rainbow warriors need not apply.
7 . All bad MOCs, unfinished MOCs or poor photography are subject to being
locked or deleted at the moderator’s discretion.
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So what exactly is your criteria for “bad MOCs”? Who is the judge?
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Anybody who looks at it is a judge, including a moderator. That’s what you
get for showing stuff publicly.
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How many
colors can I use before a moc becomes a “rainbow warrior”. What if I just
happen to choose a bad color scheme (like lime green and dark blue?)
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Use your best judgement as you would when building a show model. Rainbow
denotes a lot of colors. Bad color scheme is taste.
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Those two rules together come across as no “ugly mocs”. Does bad taste = bad
moc that will be deleted? Does it depend on the mood of the moderator?
Sometimes there is merit in an ugly moc.
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What if you just happen to use it? What if somebody just happens to comment
that it’s a bad scheme? Oh my goodness... somebody communicated their
dislike.
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I have no problem if someone communicates to me that I used a bad color scheme
or leaves me negative comments. If my moc gets deleted solely on that
reasoning, then I might have an issue. It would definitely discourage me from
participating in the future.
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Do you post something you think others won’t like? If so, why would you think
that others would want to look at such images?
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What if I’m color blind and don’t know any better? I’m not but there could
always be exceptions. Should it really matter if I think others will like my
moc before I post to your forum? I can’t read anyone’s minds or predict their
reaction prior to posting... If I could I bet Jake would be begging me for that
talent.
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I don’t know... I’ve read this thread and others that weighed the pros/cons
of starting a new forum. I hate to say it, but after reading your rules,
you do come off sounding like arrogant, whinny, control-freaks.
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That’s your opinion and I respect your right to have it. Does it apply to all
who have joined CSF as well?
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I wouldn’t say that it doesn’t apply to all who have joined so far. That was my
initial gut reaction to the rules though, especially with the relative freedoms
we enjoy on lugnet. So, that comment would probably be aimed at the forum owner
& moderators (or whomever made up the rules). That is probably too much of a
personal attack at this point. For that, I applogize. Lets just say that the
potential is there for the forum to degenerate in to a despotic leadership. I
will give it some time and see how the first big disagreement is handled. How
many posts get deleted and how many people get banned and the reasons behind
such actions before I go calling anyone a control freak on a personal basis.
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I understand the
desire to want to moderate the endless arguements where no new points are
being made (like the ongoing 10152 debate or blay vs gray).
I wish that lugnet could atleast lock some threads that refuse to die.
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You bring up something that wasn’t happening and needed to, indicative of the
sluggish movement and lack of responsiveness of the Lugnet giant. In an
effort to accomodate everybody, everything slows it down.
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However, judging
other peoples MOCs, their art, as worthy of your site or not and deleting
the ones you feel are not worthy.... well, makes you (the site) sound very
conceited. I hope thats not your intent, but thats the taste they leave.
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People can feel judged by just about anything include silence, even through
no fault of your own because you’ve been on vacation away from the computer,
for example. All that’s occurring is removal from a forum that does not
actually host images.
“Worthy” is a term that you introduce here, not CSF. Apparently, you’ve read
that into the rules somehow, when it’s plainly not there.
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Thats why I was asking what qualifies as a “bad moc” that would be subject to
being deleted. When judging a MOC good or bad, someone is making a subjective
decision. You put one of my MOCs next to Dan J.‘s Dragonstar it might look bad.
You put that same MOC next to a two year old’s MOC it “might” look pretty good.
So whether or not something is bad enough to get deleted or worthy enough to not
get deleted is a value judgement. Its that “beauty is in the eye of the
beholder” thing. I have no problem with moderation the way brickshelf does it.
Pretty much anything goes if it is made of brick and is not sexually
explicit/vulgar or profane.
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BTW, let me point out that having an MOC Announce forum doesn’t mean that
funky colored prototypes and other unfinished works won’t ever be seen in
another CS forum, such as one designed for asking for help with MOCs. People
have already asked for help in that forum and received it.
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So does that mean I can post a “bad-moc” or “rainbow warrior” in the regular
forum?
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I respect your rights to run your site in the manner that you please but the
place does not sound very friendly.
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Thanks for the respect. Saying that I sound like a control-freak sounds even
more unfriendly though.
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I was not trying to be un-friendly. Rule number #1 does say that the forum is a
dictatorship which generally implies that control resides in 1 person. Whether
or not that dictatorship is benevolent or maniacal is yet to be seen. I will
give it sometime to see how the community and attitudes develop over there.
drc
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| sorry to reply to my own post. I do wish lugnet had an edit feature. I put in a double negative... I meant: I would say that it doesn't apply to all who have joined so far. That was my initial gut reaction to the rules though, especially with the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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| (...) First, thanks for visiting. It's more than some others have admitted to doing. (...) Heh, humor. I love it. CSF's and yours. (...) This is very Andy Rooney-ish. But I should mention that rules aren't invalidated by humor. (...) This applies to (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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