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		Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap in California)
(...) <snip> (...) Scary, ain't it? K, all religious debate aside, what do we do when generals and political appointees believe their 'god given mandate'? At what point do the citizens actually shut this fiasco down? Dave K (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Misleader and the Gay Apocalypse
First just go and see it: (URL) A Band of Brothers: The Rebuilding of Iraq (URL) Recent estimates now put the final figure somewhere between $200 billion to as much as half a trillion dollars over the next ten years. America's Iraq-sticker-shock may (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		The Ubiquitous Mr. Hop-Frog
I am SO hogging the newsgroup, Babies! Anyway, I thought these articles might interest y'all: Bad grades for a voting-machine exam (URL) (if you arrive at a page that makes it look like you have to pay for the content, look for the links towards the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
(...) See, this is the kind of cohesive backward and forward looking thinking that I don't see from you in other discussions, say about the gun issue. It's all well and good to pat ourselves on the back and say we overcame the witch trials, slavery, (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap in California)
The family: myth and reality (URL) Families in the real world are often not what the policy makers think. And 'the family' everywhere is under immense stress from rapid economic, social and environmental changes. In this Year of the Family Jodi (...) (21 years ago, 20-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap in California)
(...) I think I'm going to require more proof than your say so -- esp. when practically everything you communicate here is a deeply slanted, bigotted statement. As a matter of fact, I'd like an analysis of statements I have made and how they show me (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap in California)
Once again, in the category of "Why Bother?"... (...) You do not get to decide that -- they do! I am pretty sure a Xtian is anyone calling themselves a Xtian, however misguided you may think their beliefs may be. For example, President Shrub thinks (...) (21 years ago, 19-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?
(...) It is time that all of the world's tinpot leaders get the message that supporting terrorism and terrorists will lead to their ruin. (...) That may have been good advice 200 years ago, but the world is a smaller place today. There is no more (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?
(...) We know Saudis perpetrated it; whether they were government sponsored or not is unclear. I tend to think not. OBL is a criminal in Saudi Arabia, and the Wahabi sect of Islam is just as dangerous to their way of life as it is to ours. (...) We (...) (21 years ago, 14-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?
(...) But that's not the issue. The issue is that Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice (among other admin officials and toadies) asserted that Saddam was an active and immediate threat with an active chemical/biological weapons program and an active (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: This Californian Has Voted. Have You?
(...) Absolute political unknown. I had presumed that you would be able to identify the term within the context of the discussion, but I see that I am in error. You dismissed a range of other candidates just because you didn't know their names. This (...) (21 years ago, 9-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: This Californian Has Voted. Have You?
(...) "Absolute unknown" can take on a lot of possibilities. If you mean unknown to the public in general then Arnold not an "absolute unknown". I have my sample ballot in front of me right now and am going down the list to see which names I (...) (21 years ago, 9-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: This Californian Has Voted. Have You?
(...) Character flaws? If true, the actions described are generally in the way of sexual assault. I might have a bad temper -- yeah, that's bad. But if I grope your wife, daughter, brother, son, or even you -- I've probably committed a crime! (...) (...) (21 years ago, 8-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: This Californian Has Voted. Have You?
(...) Bruce, 4 things: 1. The LA Times devoted 3 reporters for 7 weeks to investigate the character of one of the candidates, while ignoring any character issues on the other candidates. Gray Davis, for instance, is said to have a bad temper and has (...) (21 years ago, 8-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: More throwbacks to Hitler...
(...) Hm, yeah, like freedom? Gosh-darn those silly Yanks and their ill-conceived idea that the world should be free of oppression... (...) There are times when being "reactionary" is the only way to prevent great evil. Think how much bloodshed and (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Gun Debate: No Proof for Either Side!
(...) Let's get something clear, the British established slavery, not America. The same British who founded (ummm) stole Canada. -->Bruce<-- League of Green-Eyed Devil's Advocates (well, okay, they idiotically kept it, but they ain't my political (...) (21 years ago, 5-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Gun Debate: No Proof for Either Side!
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) The logic of your political forebearers included slavery. Dave K (21 years ago, 4-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The partisian trap in California
(...) A cute answer (heck, you got me to laugh with you!), but it doesn't deal with the substance of the claims. I think we are up to 15 accusers, a number that will no doubt grow. (...) Of course the timing is suspect. Then again, sometimes it (...) (21 years ago, 6-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The partisian trap in California
(...) Let it, and let him address each one. I have a feeling that after tomorrow, the issue will become mute (sic), because most of the allegations are beyond the statute of limitations (so at best they would get an apologize which he has already (...) (21 years ago, 6-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The partisian trap in California
(...) This kind of nonsense is precisely why its not worth discussing anything with you. I can't even call it a debate if your replies are going to be this moronic. You don't have any logic behind your position, you just keep asking the same (...) (21 years ago, 6-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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