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Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
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Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:39:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
   And now generals are also toting the ‘god given mandate’. Religious zealots in command.

See, this is the kind of cohesive backward and forward looking thinking that I don’t see from you in other discussions, say about the gun issue.

It’s all well and good to pat ourselves on the back and say we overcame the witch trials, slavery, women’s suffrage (by which I mean their inability to vote), Hitler, the McCarthy era, etc. -- it’s smooth sailing from here on...!

But then stuff like the advent of President Shrub and the ascendance of whacko politics rears its ugly head and you just have no idea where you are any longer. That’s why the Founding Fathers stressed eternal vigilance as the price of freedom. That’s why William Burroughs -- probably the greatest american author of the last century -- stressed the conflict between those seeking liberty and the powers of control. There is nothing older or newer than the struggle to remain free. You are never free to rest on what has gone before -- every settled conflict is ripe for a return.

My worry is that the game has become supra-national. That politics within a country are superfluous to the real conflicts arising between the “powers that be.” While nations are seen to have political and military power, much of the money that drives the engine of the world rests in private hands -- now more than ever we are seeing a consolidation of wealth amongst the few as never before. Nations owe, the international banks own. Another concern is the brazenness of the activity -- it’s not even well-hidden, it is plainly in the open and no one questions anything.

“And Cheney has retained unexercised options for 433,000 Halliburton stock shares.”

Why isn’t that front page news all over the nation? How did the U.S. become a mere pawn in the chess game between the multi-nationals? How is it that the youth of america have been sent to die in a foreign land for goals as short-sighted as those stated by the President? How is it that he has maintained the backing of both houses of congress in the commission of these international atrocities? These guys play with peoples lives at the expense of the taxpayer for the purpose of enlarging their own wallets.

Silence.

Where I live I could go a five minutes walk from my home and see people standing on a street corner waving flags and holding up poster-sized images of their children that are fighting in Iraq. It pains me to see their self-imposed delusions stretched so far. I mean, how does it ever become okay for people to send their children to die for goals so vague? How do they justify it to themselves? When their children come back in body bags, they will be the ones that have to preside over the funerals with their tears. I’ll be sitting at home enjoying life in the North American Game Preserve while they are tearing at their shirts in their grief.

I told ‘em it would be like that.

Iraq did not attack us first. They could not have attacked us first. I just don’t see the line of reasoning -- for me it ends right there. Did not, could not.

What the hell are we doing in Iraq?

-- Hop-Frog



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  Re: Iraq (was Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap)
 
(...) The cohesion is there. I think you're just blinded to it. It's an inherent factor in your culture--it's something I noticed when I was in Chicago last week. In one breath a guy I was in a meeting with spoke of 'socialism' as if it was dung on (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Holy crap! (was Re: The partisian trap in California)
 
(...) This I do not know but you have an appointed president tlaking all 'christian values' and letting ownership of endangeded and wild species pass into the hands of the average joe (good legislation there) and started a 'military campaign on (...) (21 years ago, 21-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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