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Re: The partisian trap in California
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:19:53 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Really. What if they choose to commit suicide by strapping on TNT and
denotating themselves in a crowded family restaurant?
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This kind of nonsense is precisely why its not worth discussing anything with
you. I can’t even call it a debate if your replies are going to be this moronic.
You don’t have any logic behind your position, you just keep asking the same
question in a different form as if it has some kind of magic power to overcome a
more reasoned argument and response. Basically, you don’t have a point to your
reply except to spout your usual deeply bigoted Xtian hate message for all
things opposing your personal views.
In our culture, and in almost every other culture I can think of, you do not
have the legal right to hurt others. Your news cite discussed cultural values vs
the laws of Great Britain. The same guy would be convicted here in the U.S. for
the same reason he is being convicted there -- you don’t have the right to hurt
others because of your crazed beliefs. Did you even read that cite? The guy
comes across like a lunatic that is now trying any and every defense to gain his
freedom. He committed a dispicable act and he is going to pay a price for his
crime. Honor killings, like bride burning, female infanticide, and female
genital mutilation are indeed quite common in many cultures. Most of those
cultures now actively prosecute those activities as crimes. I don’t have a
problem with that. All of those activities involve hurting another human being
and such an action is a crime in my view and apparently the view of many.
I guess it would not be the first time that I have made mention of the pagan
ethic: “And it harm none, do as you will.” Do you get that? It’s first
emphasis is much like a doctor’s oath: to first do no harm.
If a person wanted to commit an honor suicide, or mutilate their own genitals I
don’t have a problem with that. It doesn’t harm another. Seriously, how can you
not understand an idea so basic to our legal system?
You make ridiculous statements like: “You want to shack up with a chicken?” Um,
no John -- that would be you that suggested this bizarre human, non-human
coupling. I remain blissfully free of the kinds of strange sexual fantasies
that haunt your mind. I merely defended other people’s right to engage in any
mutually consensual human to human arrangements they may choose for themselves.
Your next wildly stupid statement is this one: “Your vision of what America
should be is simply not shared by the overwhelming majority of Americans.” To
which I must reply: So what?
The U.S. system of democracy is not predicated on the whims of a possible
majority. An individual’s civil rights are specifically protected from such
abuses by a possible majority. The fact that you do not understand that fact
and are constantly arguing against such protections is precisely why you are
unamerican -- you don’t understand the basis of our civil rights in the first
place! How can you protect or defend what you don’t understand? Right, you
can’t. What you do instead is try to protect your own bigoted Xtian-focused
worldview.
I think I have suggested this before, but I’ll suggest it again: please do not
respond to anything I write here unless you really have something to contribute
or unless you can carry your own weight in the conversation. All you do is
reveal your increasingly strange thought processes for all to see. If I were you
I would be embarassed to defend the ideas that you think have political meaning,
when sadly they have almost none.
-- Hop-Frog
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| (...) You can link until the cows come home, but it really proves nothing. Nada. The best you can hope for is that Bush believed intelligence that suggested that WMD still existed (assuming that they indeed don't) and he was wrong. Nobody can prove (...) (21 years ago, 6-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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