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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) They can leave that motto, for all I care, as long as they add: "All others pay cash!" ;-) Bruce (22 years ago, 26-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) And far too much that's not addressed, such as: What if my neighbor's wife covets me? What if I covet my neighbor's daughter? What if I covet my own daughter? What if I covet my sister? What if I covet my neighbor? What if the only way to keep (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) I have a problem with this form of the Golden Rule -- it's in the form of an exhortation to some kind of action. I prefer "Do not unto others as you would have others not do unto you." Point being: I want to be left alone. The form you have (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) This wasn't even your baldest assertion-- it was your characterization of Christianity as a group of homicidal innocent butcherers. Plus, I didn't want to go all "scoolboy" "Schoolboy" was a word play on Dave's last name-- I'm not sure what (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) have (...) Right. (...) Uh, no. Is it really your assertion that Jehova is personally seeing to it that every electron tunnels just so? Man, what a bore. He ought to code the universe so that scripts take care of such things. (...) Well, that (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Evolution vs Creationism
(...) Apparently without a 2nd thought, sadly :( It still rather catches me by suprise that the 1st instinct isn't "Oh! We might be wrong!" but is instead "Oh! We must have misinterpreted!". The justification, BTW, is just that: 'Our former (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) Again, a finite concept--Every hair on your head is numbered, every grain of sand, every molecule, He knows--do you get the idea that He is infinite yet? If it were our universe, and as finite beings, sure we would have to script it, but, (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) I have to admit, this is a remarkably funny subject, because the definition is so flexible, yet each flavor is convinced of its particular correctness (read rigidity). I once had a conversation with a Christian wherein they asked me something (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Evolution vs Creationism
(...) I'll still argue that Biblical Creationism is falsifiable-- it's just that CreationISTS tend to either bend with the evidence, or refuse it. If, for example, we were able to "prove" that humans preceeded the Earth, out goes Biblical (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) Here's a thought--with freedom comes responsibility. Stop twisting and making irrelevant points--that point you made has nothing to do with my idea, which is the non-separation of body and soul. Nowhere in the 10 commandments does it command (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) evidence (...) I want to start by acknowledging a significant resistance to the idea that an ultimate creator exists at all. That would certainly color my acceptance of evidence. I'm only saying this so that you don't feel the need to point it (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) I have to admit I almost snorted milk out my nose reading this "deep programming" and "childhood trauma" bit. Too much! =) But, if I may say so, it is no more obnoxious to express derision or condescension for John's views than it is for him (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
(...) Well, people have been saying that all along!!!! What took you so long? Science in general has nothing to say about faith based beliefs other than "they are outside the purview of science". You can't use science to prove or disprove them. But (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) I really didn't mean for it to be funny. It just seems like how this kind of faith is generally built. What else would explain it? Even those born-again seem to be the result of a different kind of indoctrination. (...) One difference is that (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		inconsequential creator
(...) No valid reason not to accept that the universe was created rather than always existed or spontaneously appeared... AS LONG AS that creator has had no other effect. As soon as you claim the creator has had other effects which are apparent or (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: slight
(...) idea (...) from (...) The existence of a creator, to me, implies that he's still hanging around. Since there is no evidence to support that, and it seems like there would have to be if He were really there, I choose to go with spontaneous (...) (22 years ago, 15-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) I chop down trees, I wear high heels, Suspenders and a bra. I wish I'd been a girlie Just like my dear papa. -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) And here I thought those kind of cars were only available to British 00 agents! -John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Dang, I think ya got me there, finally. Bruce :-) (Dubya only hurts when I smile....and frown...and grimmace...and....) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes: Luckily, the times I've seen you (...) Perhaps you are correct. FWIW, I find you very different IRL as well:-) I'm prone to say that it is the nature of this medium. It is always very interesting to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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