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		Why us? and if us, why this way?
(...) (URL) always agree with Hanson but he's right this time. Even if you think there's a moral obligation (that the US somehow has gotten stuck with ) to right every wrong (which I do not! I go ONLY as far as saying we ought to clean up the messes (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) er, "bald-faced" liar.. Saddam's lies aren't all that bold... h (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: And now for something completely different...
(...) Lets try to go all the way back to the beginning. Dave K started a thread asking a hypothetical about whether a person would want to know if an asteroid was coming. Some people responded to that question but mostly we've got off track. We're (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) So I'm asking with all seriousness and no veil of ulterior motive--what do we do? Justice must prevail, if we are to hold to our own ideals. How do we achieve justice in this situation? Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: A few things...
(...) It was something of a rhetorical question: I can find beers from all over the world in California; Germany, Phillipines, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Holland, and on and on. None from France (that I know of). But I'd (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: And now for something completely different...
(...) Well, you know the space program hasn't gained us anything useful at all... :-) :-) :-) (1) Of course all sorts of good stuff has come from the space program. While we can pick bones with how it was financed, there is no doubt whatsoever that (...) (22 years ago, 1-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: level of debate
(...) "The anti-war crowd for the most part are radical fruitcakes"?? Okay. Those 100,000+ people marcning in Toronto that I was with--were most of them radical fruitcakes? Were half of them radicak fruitcakes? Were 10 percent of them radical (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) I have seen too many stupidly drunk people (mostly relatives) to even want to bother with alcohol. That and the smell of beer make me nauseous. (...) You know I think 99.9 percent of the time we all agree on the desired result, the (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Dubya's daddy was a weasel when it came to supporting foreign dictatorships. He was against all the communist dictatorships being overthown in eastern europe (because he feared the anarchy that he supposed would follow) and then amusingly (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. It is time for all of the anti-war crowd that are "sitting on the fence" because there isn't enough "evidence" or are waiting for a "smoking gun" to come clean. They are (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: level of debate
(...) Are we talking about the same thing? He marched into Poland, He was on some sort of 'expansionist kick' and the 'eliminating all but the 'Supreme race'. Of course we stood up to that. I wouldn't necessarily call that stOOpid. The war with (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: The future of child care
(...) I would never want people to suffer if they didn't have to--I'm not malicious. So here's the catch 22--this guy is suffering due to the child--he obviously feels like he's suffering anyway, so he sets out to 'remedy' his suffering... So should (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Of course it is. The implied threat of force in disputes of this nature is part of the diplomacy. It is not a simplistic, "Do as ah sez or I'll hurt youz real bad," - unless you are incompetent, that is, or simply bent on war ("Violence is the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip for later... so many things for later... there isn;t enuf time in the day!> (...) On this we totally agree! This is another thing I get into with my SO--she went to that quiet little rally in (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip> (...) What's even sicker is equating wanting a peaceful solution to the Iraqi situation to doing nothing at all. War will kill Iraqi people. "Easily free them"? What? from their lives on (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) What does diplomacy accomplish? I mean really? Please cite examples of diplomacy working anywhere in the world, but not, of course, "diplomacy" conducted in surrender agreements. The fact is that "diplomacy" is merely a synonym for (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Açores
(I had to bring it up... sorry in advance for the apparent jingoism) So, Bush, Blair and Aznar are to meet in the Lajes base (Açores) next Sunday - funny how the portuguese were the last to know it, but that's not my point. The real question is (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) What the heck are you talking about? Unlike World War 2 we (any "Western" country) do not carpet bomb cities anymore. The big Tomahawk cruise missles are accurate to within half a meter, let alone the smaller missles. Civilian casualties would (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Let's attack this point by point. 1. If you're going to accuse Saddam of murders he has not yet committed, then you absolutely must provide evidence that he will do so. Since you're proposing some sort of comparision between the relative (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: level of debate
(...) To Scott: That's nuthin'! You should see what the other side is doing! The Anti-war crowd for the most part are radical fruitcakes. I mean, feminists protesting naked???? <shudder> Wearing pink to protest? It's all entertainment to the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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