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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
(...) My response to that has been(1), and continues to be, "so what?". If I can't taste it, and it can't taste me, what does it matter? I'm happy without. If you want to believe in pink elephants that's fine with me. Further, if the Elephantians (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
(...) Evidence is scientific. This is much like talking about colours to a person who has been blind their entire lives--you can get across the 'concept' of colours by talking about blue is running water, and red is heat or flame ('cause a blind (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
(...) That's the wrong way to ask the question, IMO. Or at the very least you're setting a task for science that isn't science's responsibility to answer. The more precise phrasing is this: Are there systems and components in nature that cannot be (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
(...) How are we that different? Do we possess any unique basic attributes that set us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom, or do we simply possess a unique combination and degree of shared attributes? Animal research has suggested that we are (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is religion dead in the water?
(...) I'm a little confused since the definitions you choose to quote above have utterly nothing to do with the link you provide. That is talking about his intellectual approach and not atheism at all, except in the most passing manner possible. (...) (20 years ago, 17-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Definitions vs. Daffynitions (was Re: Is religion dead in the water?
(...) And, of course, I had to look further into it and find all the variations on a theme just to argue against myself (see immediately preceeding post on scroll). -->B<-- (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is religion dead in the water?
(...) Some quotes from Wikipedia that may be illuminating (or confusing depending on if you can keep track of it all): Some atheists distinguish between two variants: Weak atheism, or negative atheism, is the standpoint that there is no reason to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is religion dead in the water?
(...) ...until it becomes agnosticism, the only true non-religion. The fundamental difference between atheists and agnostics is that atheism, like all religions, makes firm dogmatic claims regarding the existence of a supernatural being and the (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Insert Tab A into...wait, which one's Slot B?
(...) I seem to remember hearing something to that effect in a poli sci class back in high school, but we might have been given a simplified version (since, after all, it wouldn't make sense for them to accept a $1000 bid from me to build a working (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) He is. But he used to summer in a suburb of Sodom, where all the parents used to enlist his aid as a babysitter whenever they needed to have some alone time. (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) Yes, but they preferred the term Sodomian, or occassionally Sodomish. Of course, they're all dead now, so who cares what they preferred? (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Halloween vs. the Bible Belt
(...) I've actually known a few people who fall into that category, and, despite the fact that the Christian church tried to annex Halloween (remember All Saints' Day, the day after Samhain?) and basically failed (especially when compared to the (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) What is a religion, if not a "belief system"? Just because atheism is not an organized religion doesn't mean it's not a religion at all. (...) You must have missed my lengthy discussion with Mr. Schuler regarding the fundamental differences (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) Dictionary.com gives a serviceable definition of (URL) religion,> a definition with which I find myself in general agreement. In casual parlance I would pare it down a little further to say that religion entails the worship of and/or positive (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) I don't assume anything about Dave - his own statements show he is a moral relativist. Nobody else here apparently has problems calling things as they see them when it goes against their own positions. I'm no different. And I am just about (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) I did not rip you. I cautioned you against the use of a Straw Man falacy in misapplying the definition of tolerance, but that's a discussion of rhetoric. If you perceived my addressing of your rhetorical shortcomings as a "rip" on you (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) Lee, this is an interesting argument against moral relativism - but I doubt Dave is arguing on behalf of moral relativisim. You have assign this belief to him, and then proceeded to attack that belief, all the while you ignore the discussion (...) (20 years ago, 14-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
(...) Hi Dave, well I certainly can tell by your views you are a moral relativist from your distorted definition of tolerance. There are absolutes in the world. Moral, logical absolutes. There are universal truths that apply to everyone, across all (...) (20 years ago, 13-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) So I'm trying to get to sleep last night--tossing and turning around, and I find myself thinking about my foot. My foot, at that moment, was 'peeking out' from under the sheets and hanging (...) (20 years ago, 8-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A question for my Canadian pals
(...) Part of the problem might be in saying that an uncommon procedure is necessarily less accessible to you. In the US health insurance system, expensive procedures usually come with expensive deductables, so while the line in front of you may be (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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