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| | | (...) One could argue that God truly loves His children and so gives them the choice to accept or reject His love. In a way, that's a more mature and respectful love than simply saying "I love you so you're in, whether you love me or not." Moreover, (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Precisely. Excellent point, Dave! (...) Yes. BTW, although clumsy, I try and not refer to God with the masculine pronoun, unless I am specifically referring to the metaphor of God as the Father and we as His children. God is too big for a (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Thanks! It's fun to switch-hit once in a while! (...) Makes sense. I was just subscribing to the big-H "He" tradition, but I wasn't trying to make a statement in my choice of pronoun. Dave! (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Jon Kozan
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| | | | (...) So, Dave - what do you really believe? -Jon (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | Why does it matter when debating? Devil's advocate is often the best debating form. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | (...) Certainly. But it avoids having to state your own positions which _is_ a requirement in real debating. So, Tom, what do you believe? -Jon (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | I'm going to pull a Larry here - plowed ground, I've already stated my belief in this group, do your research. You must have a strange definition of debating. IN NO WAY do you have to state your own position to debate. In fact, some of the best (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —John Neal
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| | | | | | | Tom Stangl wrote:. (...) I agree wholeheartedly; in fact, I think it is the *best* way to gain an understanding of an opposing viewpoint. All I can ask a skeptic is to presuppose the existence of God for the sake of argument. Get somewhat (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I am lazy and act in my own self interest as much of the time as I possibly can. And I'm afraid too... Afraid I consider those virtues rather than the denigrating characteristics you make them out to be. I'm not "most people", believe me, but (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | | (...) (Larry - you and my brother are so similar it's scary.) I, however, would like to know what it is that _you_believe_. Perhaps you've posted it already, and if so, please point me in the right direction. Beyond all the "standard" arguements on (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) If I ain't gonna do easy homework for Dr. Scott (who at least, of late, has been posting some incredibly interesting cites, asking thoughtful questions, and conceding a point here and there (not all of them, mind you :-) ) when he's wrong) I (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Contrary to your opinion, I didn't skulk away. I'm busy enough trying in every free minute (the few that I have) to keep up with those who spend their entire day in this group :-O Just for you, I'll revisit the posting, and reply. (...) I'm (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ah, but it wasn't a "rant" was it? You're just upset that I beat you at your own game. :D Bill (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'll let it speak for itself, but I find coherency helpful. (...) That implies that I'm a sore loser. On the contrary, I relish losing a hard fought battle against a skilled opponent. Why, just today at lunch, my officemates managed to defeat (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Yep - the posting statistics are pretty scary in this group. -Jon (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | (...) And yet that was the point. OK, I'm typing really slow here, try to keep up. I was acting like *you* when you go into your little rants to illustrate that you ain't all you think you are. You stepped in it, didn't even see it coming, and are (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ooops, Bud Light! (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | (...) I can't debate unless _you_ state, or refer me to your position. Call me lazy, but I couldn't find what you personally believe stated. I tried a few searches, but I don't have time to ready 7000+ messages in this group alone... and then puzzle (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | If it matters (which it doesn't), I am basically agnostic. I won't believe without proof, and NOONE to date has shown proof. I "have faith" that I am right, that God doesn't exist until he taps me on the shoulder, so noone will really be able to (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | Thank-you Tom. I just wanted to be sure exactly where you stand. It's tough posting with people you aren't at all sure of where they stand. So, your belief systems says that you don't know if there is a God. And if there is you need some hard (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | I need Hard Evidence. And The Bible isn't it. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Having read some of the follow-up fallout to that question, I'd like to ask you a question in return before I answer--what do you think I believe, given my stance here and in whatever debates you've read previously? I'm not squirming, by the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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