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(...) Webrings shouldn't cost that much money. It's not a portal service (in the current industry sense of the word). It's simply a linked-list collection of Web site URLs and descriptions, nothing more. If it gets really expensive, then it's not (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Check. The above is one of my fundamental axioms! EVERYTHING has a cost. The cost may not be visible to some participants but it is there. TANSTAAFL! Wishing away cost won't make it go away, there are no free goods. (...) Right, and I'd rather (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just curious, how far off from completely paying for the bridge were the bonds and the $3.50 toll to pay them off? I don't see a problem with the government building roads and bridges if they use user fees to raise the money to build them, and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, actually, I totally agree. The challenge is getting the (infra)structure lain in. It's been increasing graudually and will be picking up. In the sets DB, for example, there are 4 other people (Suzanne, Joshua Delahunty, Selçuk Göre, and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, not sure I completely understand the questions. My memory is very hazy here... I just went and checked a few sites: (URL) (this is the Bridge Authority site) The bridge was built in the mid 1950s at a cost of ~70-100M in mid 50s dollars. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's content admin (1) and yes, I agree, the effects are showing and building nicely. I was talking about user admin. You know, the icky part. That is a lot harder. Witness the whole admin council thing. I don't think you think that's (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snipped some neat stuff about the Mackinac bridge> A really cool bridge (in a number of ways) is the Confederation Bridge that links P.E.I. to the rest of Canada. I learned about it from a case (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ersatz privatization I would have to say... the government is giving an operating subsidy to the tune of 40M CDN a year it seemed like. That doesn't count as true privatization. With Auto tolls at something like 25 CDN a crossing, this looks (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G153tw.FLp@lugnet.com... (...) that (...) of (...) doesn't (...) least (...) And it really ticked off many of the P.E.I. inhabitants ... -- -Rob. ===...=== New sets and parts for sale (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <shrug> Sorry for being unclear - I wasn't trying to imply that the bridge *was* privatized, but that it provided a good economic model for privatization. Whether traffic levels did/can justify it in the first place is, to a certain extent, a (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Presumably some fraction of the ~40% who voted "against" in the plebscite... ++Lar (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The government got lucky, I'd say. designing for lowest total cost of ownership is something that government projects usually completely miss, with their emphasis on lowest initial cost. Has anyone used the concrete forming plant/prefab (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Though I don't find advertiser supported services objectionable (I'm working on developing one), principles Yahoo has used here have disgusted me, and also their littering of the internet with their brand has as well. That's all my opinion, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course one should compare the toll cost to the ferry fare. If the toll cost is significantly below the ferry fare, then it probably does make economic sense. Of course one has to factor in the subsidy also, best way to do that of course is (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to talk with Suzanne about it first. She's not feeling well this week so I haven't had a chance yet. --Todd (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) of (...) least (...) c /ferry fare/true cost of the ferry/ and I agree. (the ferry was government subsidised as well. ++Lar (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This being .debate, I'm going to continue to ask you to be more specific. What exactly is it that bothers you about Yahoo? I don't see buying up services and systems in order to extend the reach of what Yahoo is able to offer Yahoo users as (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm having some minor trouble passing this gnat. I was hinting that Yahoo was the One Ring to bind all, etc. Communities like LUGNET, OTOH, would be the rag-tag army of light to eventually defeat Sauron and his minions. :-, re: gnats & (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Alrighty. (...) My problems with Yahoo are as follows: 1) Moral issues - I haven't experienced the porn banner ads personally, but from Jeremy's description its abhorring to me and I want nothing to to with a company who shoves smut down (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I should probably clarify this statement. I'm not saying that I know how much programming or effort it will take Todd to do this, and I realize that his time pretty much equals money here. I'm making a half-assumption here based on what we (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also eGroups, though I don't think that deal is totally complete yet. Kevin ---...--- Personal Lego Web page: (URL) Air Market: Limited edition kit (URL) Kits & Custom Lego models: (URL) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wonderful....just...wonderful. I feel fer ya, WAMALUG and SeaLUG. -Tim (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that (...) doesn't (...) That's what I was getting at by saying that adding the per trip subsidy of each method is necessary for a complete comparison. Frank (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net (was Re: Lego Maniac's Webring and Yahoo
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First off, let's separate the move of the ring out of the discussion. I'm coming around to the viewpoint that for valid technical, feature building, and community reasons, moving the ring to LUGNET is a good idea, relatively low cost to Todd and (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He said it wouldn't, IIRC... and that's good enough for me. However, small!=0. That said, if Todd can't set his priorities ultimately (after taking input and evaluating it) as he sees fit, it's not going to be much fun for Todd here, is it? (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It would be more fun if I was making money by doing this (LUGNET), so that's always a factor, but this is also something Tim and I had talked about a few months back as a then-distant possibility. It's less distant after having figured out (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well...a couple days ago I had a reply half written on the web interface, but unfortunately a computer freeze made me lose it. Here I go again, after I've had a bit more time to think it through :) (...) I'm no one to tell them what they (...) (24 years ago, 22-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[Added .publish to ng list; IMHO, this is actually more on-topic to .publish than it is to .off-topic.debate...] (...) Wow, wait, so lemme see if I can get this straight -- ? -- under the new Yahoo! Webring system, your ring logo has to be no bigger (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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(...) Here's a sample page: (URL) not as bad as I originally feared - but the limited logo size and standardized navbar is a definite drawback to the new system. I'm SHOCKED that Yahoo wasn't mentioned ANYWHERE on the code. I'm still beefing (though (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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I'm confused - what do you mean you can't customize it? The links are all standard links, just rewrite the tables, and make it look any way you want. Or are you saying that that would violate their TOS or something? (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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(...) Its all javascript, generated from the Yahoo server. All they give you is a small tag for javascript, then Yahoo spits out that content for you. Eg. if you aren't a member of the ring (not approved yet), all that will show up will be the top (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | Transclusion via JavaScript (was: Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net)
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(...) Interesting from an HTML/geek point of view! So, in the real shebang, they give something akin to <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="(URL) blah blah </SCRIPT> and then they, what, look at the siteid within the ringid and spit out either the (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: Transclusion via JavaScript (was: Re: Resolved: Yahoo is good for the 'net)
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"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G1Cpxr.Cqt@lugnet.com... [snip] (...) they (...) [script snipped] (...) had (...) JS (...) I'd (...) of (...) nasties. This is exactly what I do to generate my pages. My provider doesn't (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.publish)
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Right, but once Yahoo has spit out that content, you save it, and modify it any way you want to. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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(...) Sure, and then when someone clicks "next" or "previous" for that Ring ID, the Yahoo! server sees that the corresponding JS code for that Ring ID and Site ID hasn't been fetched recently by that IP address, and it gacks (by design) and it sends (...) (24 years ago, 23-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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