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| | | My capitalist running dog lackey Frank Filz answered most of this append faster and better than I could. However a few points remain... (...) You can do that if you wish. Coke did, seems to work for them. However if someone else susses it out, (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Jeff Thompson
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| | | | | Random paranthetical aside: (...) Coke's formula really wasn't a secret. Pepsi long had the knowledge and ability to replicate Coke's formula. They just never bother to duplicate the formula, because they thought their own formula tasted better. (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | (...) I don't see how you can support ideas as property at all. Remember that this means that if a person happens to have the exact same idea, independently of the other guy (and this has happened before - see Gutenberg and the others as a canonical (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) OK, what's your proposal, then? If they're not property, what are they? and how do the people that come up with them get incented? I ain't gonna invent stuff for you for free, you know... and neither is anyone else. Those 20,000 failed light (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | (...) They don't get incented. (...) Noone. Except possibly, oh, I don't know, how about those people who could actually benefit from the invention? You know, just like roads should be financed by the users. And please don't come shouting about how (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) OK, go ahead and invent away. I don't invent for free. (...) So let me see here, what you're proposing is that I go out and invent something, someone else steals my idea, gets it to market first, and makes a pile from the users, and I don't (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) From a rights basis (the utilitarian basis is clear) does it follow that the inventor has the right to prevent other people from coming up with the exact same idea on their own? (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —James Brown
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| | | | | | | (...) Wouldn't you then have legal recourse to sue (or whatever) that person for stealing? After all, it's your goods he's profiting from, without your permission, neh? <snippage> (...) Under a Libertarian system (which is one of the premises to (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | (...) Your point being? (...) You get your R&D costs covered before you start inventing, or you don't. Simple. (...) They come from each individual mind. Any system where people can _independently_ think of the same things, and only one of them to (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Works for me. Except that you're currently apparently ignoring everyone. :-) Mail sent to you is bouncing. My mail and the mail of several other people. So you might want to look into that. I'd have mailed you but of course that wouldn't work, (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) Can you send me the bounce messages (by email ;) )? I'd be interested in seeing what the errors were. (...) I rather meant ignoring the irrational urge to respond to your strange notions of society ;) (...) Anyway, here's the probable problem: (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | Mail me so I know it works and I'll mail you the headers. But your conjecture is right, it is "MX loops back" or some similar (...) Yes, in order to get $BIGNUM you first have to transfer $BIGNUM-X to someone else. :-) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) I stepped back a bit, and I suspect that what is frustrating both of us, leading to perhaps less well reasoned posts than normal on one or both sides, is that we're trying to discuss several things at once. Perhaps we should pick one topic, (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) I think you could well be right. (...) I guess that's why I don't have much respect for lawyers ;=> (...) Drive-by isn't the word. Running around "Clue" manor with guns and trying to have a duel, more like. Jasper (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | <3874CFB7.C78E8E40@voyager.net> <slrn879jtn.95s.matt...ia.bu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I'm not sure. I haven't carried out an exhaustive analysis of the rights involved. I would tend to (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Patents and IP and stuff (was Re: Goodness of Man? etc) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | (...) What happens in the case of "obvious" developments? "Obvious" is of course difficult to judge (which is why it merits quotation marks) but take this theoretical example: I live in a very primitive society. We've just started developing ideas. (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) I think ideas are not identical to physical items, and therefore not identical to physical property. But it is very useful to extend our concepts for dealing with physical property to the realm of ideas. Tangent: this is something to be (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party —Frank Filz
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| | | | <3874CFB7.C78E8E40@voyager.net> <FnxHxs.MKz@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps a workable patent system could be constructed which would recognize parallel development. I don't even see (...) (25 years ago, 6-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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