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Re: Goodness of Man? (was: Re: Merry Christmas from the Libertarian Party
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:24:07 GMT
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Jasper Janssen wrote:
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> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 04:36:48 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
> wrote:
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> > OK, what's your proposal, then? If they're not property, what are they?
> > and how do the people that come up with them get incented? I ain't gonna
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> They don't get incented.
OK, go ahead and invent away. I don't invent for free.
> > invent stuff for you for free, you know... and neither is anyone else.
> > Those 20,000 failed light bulbs cost money. Who pays for that?
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> Noone.
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> Except possibly, oh, I don't know, how about those people who could
> actually benefit from the invention? You know, just like roads should
> be financed by the users.
So let me see here, what you're proposing is that I go out and invent
something, someone else steals my idea, gets it to market first, and
makes a pile from the users, and I don't even get my R&D costs covered?
Rights, Jasper, rights. If ideas are not property, what are they? And if
so, who has what rights to them? Where do they come from?
> And please don't come shouting about how impractical it is -- I agree.
How impractical WHAT is?
> > You said the patent system was flawed. I agree. What's your proposal?
> >
> > Really, Jasper, you don't seem to be able to put together any arguments
> > on a property rights basis.
Still true.
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> I really don't see how you can claim to be arguing from fundamental
> rights, and then argue that "this is a right because it's an
> incentive. So there.".
I agree. Fortunately I said nothing of the sort. incenting is a
utilitarian argument. Keep it straight.
I see ideas as property of the inventor. From a rights basis, that means
that the inventor has the right to do with them as he or she sees fit.
From a utilitarian basis, if we don't incent the inventor, we don't get
new ideas.
Refute that separately from refuting that ideas are property. If you
can.
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