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Re: Brad Justus' Comments - Why Complain?
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Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:51:07 GMT
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Okay, I see that my intent was not clearly stated. I will give it another
attempt. I was trying to present the idea that for those who disagree with
Lego's comments about what is okay with them regards posting of retailer
information, just because it has been acquired by some individuals - (I
paraphrase here:) "and therefore belongs to the Lego fan community - and those
who posted it for the rest of us, shouldn't kow-tow to the Lego establiment
and remove it..." is the attitude I was intending to comment to. If you do not
hold this attitude, then my comments probably were taken much as Selcuk has
interpreted them. For my being unclear and too generalized, I apologize.
My statement to the idea of letting them know what you (you, me, anyone) want,
rather than spending a lot of time letting them know what you (you, me,
anyone) don't like about their policies, was an attempt to provide impetus to
cooperate rather than to fight. I never intended that my comments be construed
as to not criticize. Just that there is a difference between what we as
indivduals have a right to and that which we have a responsibility to. I
believe we have the responsibility to defend our and others' rights - and that
means we also have the responsibility to not violate them.
Wayne
In lugnet.general, Selçuk Göre writes:
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> Wayne R Hussey <eskimo@uswestmail.net> wrote in message
> news:Fn7q20.AJJ@lugnet.com...
> > To all you gripers out there who think The LEGO Group owes you something • just
> > because you've spent a couple of bucks on their product:
> >
> > GROW UP!
>
> Oh, please, you first!..
>
> >
> > A lot of you complaining about Brad Justus' comments about what is • appropriate
> > and legal to do regards TLG intellectual property and its distribution on • the
> > internet, need to realize that TLG could, by rights (copyrights!) remove • any
> > posting of any image originally created by them. That's what "rights" • means.
> >
>
> If you still didn't get the idea after more than a hundered messages behind
> what you call "complainings", and want to reinitiate this debate, I'm here,
> but I think you are just so cluless that I don't think that anybody can help
> your kind.
>
> Let's summarize for your convenience:
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> 1- Complanining about any rule (I call this discussing) doesn't mean that
> you disrespect this rule and/or you go against this rule.
>
> 2- Complaining about what you are thinking that is not correct, is a RIGHT.
> So does "having objections about what you believe is wrong" and "discussing
> and defending what you believe is correct". And this is still a right if
> things that you are defending are not correct to any others. Note that, to
> avoid a near future cheap shot, I'm not posting this message since I'm
> thinking you don't have the right to say what you belive is correct, but
> just for your style.."GROW UP, huh? Thanks for the compliments you "BIG
> MIND"...
>
> 3- I don't think that TLC owes me something, never ever, but it also just
> correct the othervise. This does not mean in anyway that I don't want a nice
> relation with TLC, actually I believe this would be most wonderful thing
> since the bricks themselves, but I don't want it if it would require that I
> should be quite. And regarding Brad's very friendly postings, I have serious
> doubts about TLC wants us to stop complaining. Brad has a rather high rank
> position in TLC, and I'm sure he can wisely deal with us, "complainers",
> considerably much wiser than your recent perfprmance.
>
> 4- 99% of the complainers were kind and were trying just to show that why
> they were believing this or that were not correct in a mostly reasonable
> way, much more then your "nice" message, further, even Brad also made a
> second post enlighting the subject more, and he also recognized that url
> thing is a little bit strecth, and expalined that it is only their
> recommendation, not an illegal thing, which is copletely acceptable to me
> and to many others. I know there were minor posts that can be considered as
> not so kind or reasonable, and if your message is just for them, try
> replying to those guys message instead of starting a new thread next time.
>
> 5- Actually I didn't complained any of the postings from Brad, but I'm tired
> too, about your kind, who cannot withstand opinions against theirs, and not
> being aware of such a very basic thing that we all are INDIVIDUALS. All of
> us our own background, our own culture, our own life sytle, our own beliefs
> and disbeliefs, and are all living in very different parts of this planet,
> so don't try to rationalize your "given message" by introducing trems like
> "group benefits", since only greatest common thing that made up this
> community is nothing else but love of the brick. GROW UP and live with it.
>
> 6- Just as you are thinking(!), we are all ADULTS, having their own very
> different opinions about many different subjects. Different opinions means
> discussion, and news groups called as "tartisma gruplari" in Turkish, which
> can be exactly translated as "Discussion Gruops", so if you don't want to
> discuss, you might go to another place, where might be more appropriate.
>
> 7- I'm living under the control of a "democrasy in the words only"
> government, so we have too much rules to live with which are clearly
> nonsense. Someone could be in a position which he/she had better obey some
> rules for many reasons (to continue to utilise a service from someone, or to
> continue to breath air for example) but this does not mean in any way that
> he/she can't complain about them. By reversing your example of drunk
> driving, which was not a wise one actually, there are many things done just
> since the performer has the ability to do it, and in case of laws and rules
> you mostly must obey them, without the need of being correct, and dicussing
> or complaining about their correctness is a RIGHT, indepentent from they are
> correct or not.
>
> 8- Your message and my reply are not good contributions to anyones
> advantage, and much more "childish" then the complaining messages that you
> are complaining about, but I think you well deserved it.
>
> Selçuk
>
>
>
>
> > Some of you seem to think that these rules violate your "rights". In these
> > circumstances, you have none. Just the same way that driving is a • privilage,
> > and not a right, your access to TLG information is a privilage.
> >
> > Responsibility dictates that we as adults, act like adults. We, upon • finding
> > out we are doing things blatantly illegal, or at best, not in the • interests of
> > our community, make an attempt to correct our behavior. When we were • children
> > and did something wrong, our parents provided guidance or punishment to
> > correct our inappropriate actions. As adults, we are supposedly beyond the
> > need for someone else to influence these corrections.
> >
> > Personally, I am becoming tired of the little minds that think they have • the
> > "right" to anything they want, just because they can get it. How many of • you
> > complainers would also believe that you have the "right" to drive drunk • just
> > because you able to? If caught, I'm sure you would gripe because the • police
> > did something to "get" you. You weren't responsible. It wasn't your fault.
> >
> > I propose that those of you who disagree with Mr. Justus' policies, quit
> > demonstrating your irresponsibility by complaining, and become responsible
> > adults and work toward making the system more the way you want it. In • other
> > words: If you have a different destination, just tell TLG where you want • to
> > go. Don't keep spinning your wheels telling them where you won't go. It • serves
> > no purpose, causes irritation and slows the rest of us down.
> >
> > Wayne
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| Wayne R Hussey <eskimo@uswestmail.net> wrote in message news:Fn7q20.AJJ@lugnet.com... (...) just (...) Oh, please, you first!.. (...) appropriate (...) the (...) any (...) means. (...) If you still didn't get the idea after more than a hundered (...) (25 years ago, 24-Dec-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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