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In lugnet.dear-lego, Wayne R. Hussey writes:
> To all you gripers out there who think The LEGO Group owes you something just
> because you've spent a couple of bucks on their product:
>
> GROW UP!
It may of interest noting here that I have yet to read or hear of a rational
AFOL who griped about TLC owing them anything. But if I do, it's usually
ignored by me. How about you?
> A lot of you complaining about Brad Justus' comments about what is appropriate
> and legal to do regards TLG intellectual property and its distribution on the
> internet, need to realize that TLG could, by rights (copyrights!) remove any
> posting of any image originally created by them. That's what "rights" means.
Everyone here realizes that. Please read the "Fair Play" Policy on TLC's
website.
> Some of you seem to think that these rules violate your "rights". In these
> circumstances, you have none.
If you are telling me that I should shut up and stop complaining, go eat some
spamcake. I disagree. Subject to Lugnet T&C, I can talk about whatever LEGO
subject I wish here at Lugnet. I believe this is what is termed here as a
"discussion group". If you are merely informing me of my legal status in this
event, I'd say you've successfully pointed out a self-illuminated no-brainer
that the rest of us have already located while handcuffed and blind-folded.
> Just the same way that driving is a privilage,
> and not a right, your access to TLG information is a privilage.
This is not analogous. Driving is not a priviledge anymore - and if you think
differently, imagine having this "priviledge" is immediately and permanently
revoked, and see how well our world economy would get along without it. But if
we are going to speak of priviledge, driving is no more of a priviledge than
free speech.
> Responsibility dictates that we as adults, act like adults. We, upon finding
> out we are doing things blatantly illegal, or at best, not in the interests of
> our community, make an attempt to correct our behavior. When we were children
> and did something wrong, our parents provided guidance or punishment to
> correct our inappropriate actions. As adults, we are supposedly beyond the
> need for someone else to influence these corrections.
While this might sound good, it is quite disconnected from the rest of your
arguement, whatever that may be.
> Personally, I am becoming tired of the little minds that think they have the
> "right" to anything they want, just because they can get it.
I don't believe I've ever read a post like that here. Though, if a market
exists that LEGO doesn't see, it could be unwise for them to ignore outside
advice, especially if it's a potentially lucrative market. If enough voices
speak up, say a million each with a dollar to spend, they might be able to
convince TLC that $1 million dollars is waiting for them if they do/make what
those million voices want. Such "complaining" is not out of line in the
business world, but merely a carrot that TLC can choose to pursue or not.
> How many of you
> complainers would also believe that you have the "right" to drive drunk just
> because you able to? If caught, I'm sure you would gripe because the police
> did something to "get" you. You weren't responsible. It wasn't your fault.
Again, here is another analogy attempted that fails miserably, not for the
least of reasons being that it's a personal, cheap shot.
> I propose that those of you who disagree with Mr. Justus' policies, quit
> demonstrating your irresponsibility by complaining, and become responsible
> adults and work toward making the system more the way you want it. In other
> words: If you have a different destination, just tell TLG where you want to
> go. Don't keep spinning your wheels telling them where you won't go.
While this sounds good on the surface, it fails in many ways, four of which
I'll expound:
1) The policies are not merely/exclusively Mr. Justus'. While he does seem "a
company man", he does not seem to portray himself a doormat either (and yes, I
realize you never intimated such an idea). He quite possibly could have a
considerable say in company policy, or maybe not. But if he does, I would not
expect him to say so.
2) Complaining does not automatically indicate irresponsibility. Instead, it
displays unhappiness, discontent, often a lack of tact, and sometimes
ungratefulness. But being grateful has nothing to do with business.
3) If I am to "just tell TLC (nee TLG) where [I] want to go", how can I do
that without at least one person seeing such an action as complaining and
generating messages like to which this one replies;
4) There's a time and a place for both "where I won't go" and "where I want to
go". I can certainly tell TLC "where I won't go" because I indicate wider
parameters in doing so, and as a consumer I can tell them whatever I please
about their product. If you've ever worked for an employer that trusted you to
use your brain to decide upon the details of a larger decision made by him,
you'll know what I'm talking about. In such a case, it's imperative for
employer's underlings to do what's best for the situation... in this case, a
mail-order market. AFOL's give free information about a product to a company
that is cared so much for that's willing to do business with one of their
untapped markets, while other companies spend zillions to find out the same
stuff.
> It serves
> no purpose, causes irritation and slows the rest of us down.
Just say what you really mean and get to the point: it irritates *you*. And
BTW, this was the only real point to your running off at the mouth (a.k.a.
"diarrhetoric").
-Tom McD.
when replying, stick a spamcake in it.
www.baylug.org
[F-up to lugnet.general kept; pointless f-up to lugnet.dear-lego deleted]
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