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(...) Had I run that in a newspaper would you remain unmoved to boycott that newspaper? You may, but given the past behaviour of many of your Conservative American countrymen and women I doubt they would. There is, fortunately, one major difference (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I also believe secular democracies are best. Democracies come in second. Now, I've never supported religion-based laws per se-- I've supported laws that are based on religious values. I think that there is an important distinction there. I (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (forgot to answer this) For me, life is too short to quibble about the small stuff. I'd fry bigger fish. JOHN (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I will consider your removal of and lack of counterargument to the prior text to be agreement. I'm glad I could be so convincing. ;) (...) I don't really see much difference here but it is a matter of semantics and thus purely opinion based. (...) (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't tink the maor difference is that you're living in a Secular democracy. I think the difference is that you're living in a society that can voice their differences in a fashion that doesn't entail the need to lop the heads off people if (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To be fair, this insane response has not been echoed by American Muslims. We must account for that as well.... (...) I wonder if that has something to do with not wanting their "image" caught on tape or photographed-- the whole making "graven (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I want to clarify my response--the people that are 'taking this to the streets' with the flag burning and the gun shooting and the life threatening are the uncivilized people--not Muslims or people of middle eastern countries. (...) I was just (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Glad you clarified, because now I really have no idea what you're talking about! Who and where and what are these people about whom you speak? JOHN (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm saying that the people that are on the streets with the threatening of life and the shooting of guns in the air and aprtaking in 'violent demostrations' are the uncivilized people--it doesn't matter if they're muslim. christian, agnostic, (...) (19 years ago, 3-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do you ever get the impression that the media is being manipulated... by both sides ? Ray (19 years ago, 4-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You were just asserting that the US was a secular demo, no? We are. But most of our FF were men of faith and our very existence was due to those who were looking to practice their religion freely, so we have an integral, religious history. (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which is all fine up until the point where the separation of church and state begins to be eroded. That point has almost been reached, and, with President Bush's new Court nominations is in danger of being reached. Mainly however, I was just (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm... (URL) "We are most certainly *not* a secular nation."> (Readers perusing that old thread for the first time should be warned that it took place before my now-characteristic patience and politeness were cemented...) Dave! (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You are repeating simply the sour grapes of one group who isn't currently in power. Boo-hoo. Bush's nominations are eminently qualified to hold their positions. Even if Roe v. Wade were to be repelled, that still means nothing. Why is it that (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol Ah, using myself against myself, eh? Well, you've got a fool for a witness! Looks as though I was a bit contentious as well...:-o Okay, on to my apparent contradiction.... The United States of America is a secular democracy. Our very (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No John. I'm not repeating (nor speaking of) sour grapes. I have nothing against the conservatism of the appointees, I have something against the religious fundamentalism of them. You know, the same thing you don't like in Muslims. As it is, I (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I frankly don't care what they believe; it's what they do that can concern me... (...) Harriet Miers was a terrible choice-- unqualified, and a crony. The Dems should be thankful that they were spared the job of excoriating a woman nominee (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) I agree completely, but we'll have to wait and see what happens before deciding on this. (...) Wasn't me who confused the two. It was you. Thus my statement above regarding conservatism and fundamentalism. (...) I've seen no proof (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote: --BIG--SNIP-- (...) But the flaw in that is that you don't have to be cohabiting to be married Another Tim (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: --SNIP-- (...) But surely thats how democracy works. If you had no control over who was in power then you could have a right to say that its nothing to do with you, but that isn't the case. (Don't get (...) (19 years ago, 5-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, see, this is part of the problem. If we wait, for instance, until Iran gets nukes and uses them, then it is a bit late, don't you agree? This is the reason for pre-emptive strikes. A stitch in time and all of that. (...) I guess I was (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you *do* care what gays believe? ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Regarding what? (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm just trying to establish whether the statement you made about Iranians above also applies to gays. Does it? ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So it's less about what they actually do than it is about what you believe they might do? a (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was speaking in the context of Sharia. I don't care if Iranians believe in Sharia or any other system of law and order. What I do care about is how those beliefs affect their policies towards the outside world. So I don't think that your (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not "less". What they are actually doing now is making serious threats and engaging in deliberately provocative behavior. So the question becomes, do we take them at their word, or do we take the chance that they are full of BS? We are being (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's what I was asking, thank you for clarifying. ROSCO (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) O take the threats and so-on seriously, but to go to war over them is ia bit over the top. As much as it may pain you to hear it, if you want to justify going to war, then wait until they do an act of war, not just threaten. Thwart plans, yes. (...) (19 years ago, 6-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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