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Re: Who the devil are we to lecture on 'nucular' non-proliferation? (careful, long rant)
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Thu, 5 May 2005 13:54:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Parsons wrote:

<snip>

   Its a tricky thing.

There’s no doubt that the world is more stable with less nuclear weapons.

And there is a good argument that (Western) countries with much to lose are less likely to use these weapons. Its only places or people with not much to lose or the real prospect of losing everything that find these weapons attractive.

Richard is right as far as he goes, where he falls down is in his prescription for how to change countries to be free...

   <snip>

My take is simply this: nukes cannot be trusted to countries under the leadership of despots, dictators, and other illegitate rulers.

You mean like the US???

   Democracy is the key-- when people are free to determine their own destinies for their countries, and NOT under control by some insane, petty, self-serving tyrant,

You mean like Dubya ???

   then these questions naturally work themselves out.

I agree!

   Put the power (nuclear or otherwise) in the hands of the people.

That too. I think the second admendment goes up to personal tanks in applicability...



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  Re: Who the devil are we to lecture on 'nucular' non-proliferation? (careful, long rant)
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) The thing is I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but that's irrelevant--I know 'Mericans that are serious about that statement and for that, I thank God every day that I'm Canadian. (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Who the devil are we to lecture on 'nucular' non-proliferation? (careful, long rant)
 
(...) I know we've all discussed this before, and I confess that I don't have a clear concept of what's appropriate for whom to possess, but I have I have question about the history of this interpretation. How did the founding fathers feel about (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  'changing countries to be free' (was Re: Who the devil)
 
(...) Mmmmm. A truly American assumption that my 'prescription' was designed to change these countries to be free, but not what I was driving at. I have read it again, and I can't see that in what I said. Besides, I think its been discussed even (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Who the devil are we to lecture on 'nucular' non-proliferation? (careful, long rant)
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Parsons wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> My take is simply this: nukes cannot be trusted to countries under the leadership of despots, dictators, and other illegitate rulers. Democracy is the key-- when people are free (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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