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Re: Victories for smokefree ballot initiatives
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 3 Nov 2004 17:00:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dan Boger wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 04:03:31PM +0000, Tim Courtney wrote:
> > This from a smokefree activist list I subscribe to...
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> > Unfortunately, workers lost the right to breathe smokefree air in all
> > workplaces in Toledo and Duluth. No barhopping there! :-(
> >
> > Now for Illinois in 2006, I hope!
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> Hmmm. So the point is to protect the employees of restaurants from
> smoke? Not about being able to have dinner in a smoke free room?
> Shouldn't that be left as a choice for the people who work in the bar?
> I've no problem with a smoking section, as long as there's a reasonable
> non-smoking section (and trust me, I hate cigarette smoke!).
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> I've a feeling that almost all the people who voted for these
> initiatives voted because THEY don't want to deal with the smoke, not
> because they're trying to protect the workers.
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> I'm not convinced this should be a law.
I'm more than convinced it should be a law. When the smoker's right to smoke and
the citizen (worker, patron, or other)'s right to breathe clean air are in
conflict, the right to breathe clean air should always win.
The economics are quite simple too -- leave it up to the 'market' to decide,
smokefree bars won't swim. Ban it statewide, and to no surprise, business goes
up in every case. Banning smoking is not only good for the public health, it's
good for the restaurant and bar business. The only people it's bad for is the
20% [1] of the population who smokes, and the tobacco industry [2].
-Tim
[1] as in 80% doesn't
[2] and we know what good, upstanding, righteous corporate citizens *they*
are...
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| (...) No contest there. I do think we should allow people to make stupid decisions for themselves - if you choose to take the job at the bar, you accept the risks that go with knowing you're working in a place that allows smoking. (...) If 80% of (...) (20 years ago, 3-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Hmmm. So the point is to protect the employees of restaurants from smoke? Not about being able to have dinner in a smoke free room? Shouldn't that be left as a choice for the people who work in the bar? I've no problem with a smoking section, (...) (20 years ago, 3-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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