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| | | (...) Is this the secular version of "an eye for an eye"? (...) All Christians? (...) Any specific examples in mind? (he asked knowingly) (...) Okay, someone from Vietnam comes to live in the US and continues to fry up cats and dogs for meals. Any (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) Ha! Well my version would be: "God gives Christians self-worth. Life without God, if examined theologically, is worthless" ROSCO (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: God and worth (was re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred) —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | (...) Two very worthy distinctions otherwise lost on many of the most enthusiastic christians. God doesn't seem to do much for athiests. And people who can't find any value in life without the need to resort to a god seem to me to have something of (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and worth (was re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred) —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Well, I happen to find the things Man finds worthful completely worthless. Monetary wealth? Success? Fame? Getting laid? Or happiness? Even happiness for its own sake is empty. (...) At the very least, focusing on God turns our narcissistic (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and worth (was re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) The operative word being "I". ROSCO (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: God and worth (was re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Only if you choose to define it that way. I used to work with a Christian who said something like "if emotions are just chemical reactions, aren't they meaningless?" Well, sure. Insofar as I attach no truly transcendent, metaphysical "meaning" (...) (20 years ago, 13-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —Don Heyse
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: [snip] Excuse the paraphrase, but did you just say something like, "Life without Allah is worthless." On Septermber 11th? Wow. (20 years ago, 12-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —David Laswell
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| | | | (...) Are you suggesting that having drawn spiritual support on 9-11-2001, as millions of Christians did [1], from a God who is coincidentally shared with two other major religions essentially means they supported the terrorist attacks? Wow, (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —Don Heyse
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| | | | (...) No, I'm merly attempting to point out in my own inept way that the sentiments expressed by John are strikingly similar those used by used by the terrorists to justify their actions. Draw all the spiritual support you need, but don't use it to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) Don, you completely miss the boat in your analysis. I said life without God, is meaningless. Meaning, God gives our lives purpose, God gives us hope, God gives us strength to carry on each day; to live. Without that motivation, what is the (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not sure I see the difference between worthless and meaningless in this context, but I'll take it up as a vocabulary lesson later. (...) Who gives purpose to God? You do. The argument is circular. Why not cut out the invisible middleman? (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —David Laswell
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| | | | (...) It's also not that far from positive worth. Most Christians see it from that perspective, which is why there are so many Christian missionaries around the world. Most of the Christians who don't see it from that perspective are either just (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —Don Heyse
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| | | | (...) So instead of a half empty glass, you see it as completely empty? To be filled with either holy water or poison. I say you're wrong. The glass is already half full and the beverage is tasty. (...) What? I thought we were talking about the (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —David Laswell
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| | | | (...) Not my original analogy, so I'm restricted to revising it using the terms provided. You were the one who introduced the idea of Zero Worth/Empty Glass. (...) An empty glass cannot, by definition, be full of poison. The point I was trying to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Brick Testament: A Family Stoned and a City Massacred —David Koudys
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| | | | (...) Kinda reminds me of a ST:TNG ep.. :) Not that that particular ep. hasn't been mentioned here before... Dave K (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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