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(...) Yes. Neither you nor I are capable of judging motive. We don't know why Fred ran over Sam, or why Dave ran over Paul. The only people who know that are Fred and Dave, respectively. All that we can do is judge the action. Actions are (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
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(...) Unfortuanately it seems to me that to have a workable society, we have to attempt to judge intent. Without judging intent, either murder is not a crime, and we can't punish anyone for being responsible for someone elses life ending, or there (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
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(...) are (...) You're making assumptions. What if the penalty for murder was deportation? Or 5 years of community service? No one says it has to be prison for life. Also, there's no reason why there can't be 'state-mandated'(1) circumstances under (...) (25 years ago, 19-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
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(...) Ok, I was making an assumption that we want the maximum possible penalty for murder. It still means that we must treat all the above listed people the same as the person whose intent is unjustified murder. (...) Ah, but to do so, you're making (...) (25 years ago, 19-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
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(...) Hmm. I don't see that as being intent-driven, but circumstance-driven. It (to me) is a difference between "thou shalt not kill, unless you didn't mean to" and "thou shalt not kill, except under clearly defined circumstances" (...) Ok, to stick (...) (25 years ago, 19-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
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<FJv3A6.J77@lugnet.com> <380CC30F.6FA2@mindspring.com> <FJv84y.79J@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) It appears to me that if the why behind a cop shooting someone is that a predetermined (...) (25 years ago, 21-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Explain how "stepping on the accelerator to speed up" and "driving along, without stopping" are the same. Discuss this further. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cop is alone when incident happens, cop goes to jail. Cop is with more than one person who swears he saw the crime committed, cop doesn't go to jail. Cop has a partner who swears same for him, which didn't actually happen. Cop doesn't go to (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ?? They aren't. How is that relevant? James (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't get it. If you're intending to debate, please provide reasoning to support your examples. Otherwise, please continue to troll away. James (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said your syustem was fair and provided examples. I provided counterexamples. Happy now? Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ^^^...^^^ (...) ^^^...^^^ (...) So please explain how they should be punished the same, since this is what we were talking about, and there are observable differences in actions. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I said it was *more inherently* fair. I still stand by that. (...) Yes. :) James (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you. They shouldn't be punished the same, as their actions were different. BUT that isn't what was being talked about. The discussion was about whether judging by action or judging by intent was more fair. From the original (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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