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(...) Wow! I'm no expert, but you appear to be seeing Bush as a father figure. Dreams can be really weird at times! Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I think I see him seeing himself as a father figure. To me, he at least appears to believe he's doing the right thing. Whether he is or not, only time will tell. Most other political figures leave me with the impression that they know (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some do, some don't. Old saying, not sure of the attribution or exact phrasing: "I like my politicians honest... that is, once they're bought,they STAY bought." ++Lar (noting that for someone who doesn't hang in Debate much, Don seems to be (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So Bush talks about Freedom and Liberty whist funding gross human rights abuses in places like Uzbekistan & Israel and you think he is not "dishonest"? He hands out "lucrative" contracts to his buddies and you think he is not corrupt? Wake up, (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not what I said (or at least not what I thought I said). I thought I said he gives the appearance (to me) of someone who believes what he's doing is right. As for myself, I find the lucrative buddy contracts questionable, and I can't (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's right. I mean, how do you work with the ones that change their colors based on the whims of some focus group. (...) Yeah what I really want to talk about (the way to handle new colors in LDRAW) has gone underground with the LSC. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 18-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How could one sleep with your incessant SOS rants? JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Easy: Prove me wrong. Scott A (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ride, Ride, Ride! JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) When uttered by Scott, "Easy" and "prove me wrong" don't belong anywhere near each other. He happens to be mostly right (about the Bush II Admin and the great stink emanating from it) this time, but when he's wrong about something, proving it (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Whereas I usually concur with you, Larry, it seems as of late that Scott had developed a debate style in which his points are backed up and cited, as is hte case with this particular arguement. If the counter arguement to this debate is 'ride (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I haven't forgotten, Lar! I was in "mock mode" with my comment with no intention whatsoever in engaging Scott on these topics. (...) I love the notion here in this group that if one produces a cite, it somehow validates an idea. Reminds me of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Aren't MOCs "on topic" for this newsgroup? ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) Just tossing out cites does not in and of itself "prove the case"... You need to actually make a cogent argument that comes to a particular conclusion, and the cites then serve as evidence in support of your claims, assuming they themselves (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Cites validate an idea inasmuch as the idea has some substance supporting it. Whether or not the idea is valid is up to the contrary side to prove. As I hear in other avenues, "saying something is wrong doesn't make it wrong." I once read a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Aren't puns "off-topic" for this newsgroup? ;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) FINE!!! I admit it (again)-- the US and Israel aren't perfect!!! I am so tired of the comparisons to perfection! It's stupid to discuss! (...) My presence in this NG hangs by a thread as The Fates saw away. If not for the participation of a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well that's all fine and dandy if he says "Look I'm gonna do some short term wrongs here, but I'm convinced in the long term it'll be alright" but I don't hear him saying that. "It's right to hold these suspected terrorist/conspirators without (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We surely can debate that... :-P Pedro (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) Well with both groups copied, they're on/off topic no matter what. Depending on where you want to take this, I guess. (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) lol I applaud you, Pedro, for making puns in a foreign language-- a trick that many native tongues find elusive! Well done:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) John & yourself are free to try. ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For the record, I've always tried to provide cites! Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in this post (URL) first one is an unattributed false (1) claim that tars by association(2) and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) On this I concur. As stated earlier, sarcasm and humour have their places in debate and discourse--however, there has to be some substance--saying a point is stupid is fine and all--proving it is where the true debate lies. (...) snip sit back (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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much snippage (...) I should note that there is good info elsewhere in that site, many of the arguments that Hubin makes against Libertarianism (in the guise of making arguments against the arguments advanced by libertarian macho flashers, there is (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not really. It was a personal recollection; as was clear in my post. (...) Was it not clear from my post that the cited page was reather light-hearted? (...) Your post was in direct response to mine; that should be clear to everyone? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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