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(...) The problem is there's no free market in governmental systems at the moment, and the present players collude to keep it that way. (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That doesn't really address the topic at hand (and perhaps that was your intent). -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would surmise that "Fre Market" and "Governmental Systems" are exclusive. There has to be oversight to "Free Market" in order to maintain the safety and health of those involved in the Free Market system--hence Gov't. I live in a reasonably (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The market is plenty free--we have 200+ nations to choose from! The fact that no nation has arisen to suit the desires of every last person is irrelevant. That's the market in action. Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure it does. You can't argue that we have the right of choice if there's no free market (of ideas, or of systems) to choose from, except unless you argue that we have to lump the choices, constrained as they are by the International (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, David, you were reading too fast. You missed the point. I speak of a marketplace*of* ideas themselves, a marketplace IN government systems. But be that as it may, past reading in this group will show that I don't agree that government (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it is being tampered with, then it isn't free. Or is that what you meant? (...) Building codes also prevent a wide array of construction techniques that are cheaper and safer because the building industry is entrenched in the code setting (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are sufficiently high barriers to entry (the 200+ nations collude together to prevent new entrants) that your assertion that "the market is free" is false, Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How so? Do you mean we're not free to form a new nation, or that we're not free to move from one to the next? In some cases, the latter is certainly true, but that's just the market in action; different types of product are available, with (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Preface: Plowed ground alert. I probably shouldn't have posted a flurry of responses, just summarised and let it go. This has been discussed before at length. That said, onward. (...) Not in and of itself. But if you had a grand scheme for a $1000 (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you simply couldn't resist an opportunity to invoke Dave! (...) I may be misunderstanding the question, but let me try with a hypothetical stab at it. Suppose you and a group of like-minded individuals locate and claim a previously (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Larry is referring to the constraints of the monopoly of the 2 party system in America. As I have in the past, I see nothing wrong with joining one of the 2 parties and working for change *within* that context instead of trying to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does such an island exist? As far as I can tell, all land on this planet is either claimed by some particular government (and thus ought not to be hived off without the acquiescence of that government, or of the landowners or at least of (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Alas, that's just the way it goes; do you think that in a government-less world that wouldn't be the case? I want the free market to cough up a free place for me to live, but the free market doesn't do that any more than the current situation (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because others do things in a way that doesn't adhere to the "Too high" standard that the almighty United States sets for the rest of the world... I'll stick with Canada, where new political party(s) can spring up overnight, and long standing (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll let the market (of ideas) decide. Oh wait, it did! You lost, Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Then why can I only choose from a field of one cable company in my area? Dave! (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because you have a coercive monopoly. A government granted that company a monopoly... But you know this already, Dave! What are you up to? (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, seriously--why is that? One cable company--I hate that. I don't want to go to satellite 'cause then I lose my internet connex, and I dislike High Speed dial-up, etc. But every few months, my cable bill goes up a couple of dollars, even (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You seem to be confusing between choosing from what's available, with having a right to choose from what's available, with somehow expecting that you should be offered whatever happens to suit your fancy. So, yes, I can argue it. (...) I'm not (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry if I haven't been clear. I don't have any expectation that the market will provide me whatever I fancy, in this market or any other. What my expectation is, though, is that for it to be a free market, there cannot be unreasonable (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm still not getting where you are going with this, Larry. Free market of governments? What in the world does that have to do with inheritable contracts as a system of stable (or coercive) government? Unreasonable coercive barriers to entry (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This subthread got a start when someone said "if you don't like it (that you inherited a contract), vote with your feet". Perfectly valid statement. What I was trying to point out was that it is not a perfect solution. Life isn't perfect, of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) News Flash--nothing is perfect. Not to bring religion into it, but we live in a fallen world. Beyond the religions scope, Democracy is the 'lesser of all evils". Heck, you and I don't even live in a pure democratic society, and basically used (...) (22 years ago, 28-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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