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| | | Don't usually agree with Richard much in the sphere of politics (although he's a good friend and very solid trader) but I have to weigh in on the anti-death-penalty side. I'm agin em because of the error factor, and because I want the criminals (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) I'd go for that in Libertopia. In reality, though, prisoners can't really be "forced" to work, can they? Or is that a state by state, thing? If the choices are let the scum sit in a prison watching tv and reading books, maybe even taking (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Simon Robinson
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| | | | | (...) 'let the scum sit in a prison...' ??? Not judgemental about other people at all are we! The people - and as Larry pointed out there are doubtless many - who didn't commit any crime but ended up in prison anyway because a jury incorrectly (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, I am. Maybe you think it's a fault to judge other people by their actions. I don't. Let's see, what types of people do we have in prisons, for the most part? Murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves, etc. Yep, scum. Maybe you think (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) And even if they are otherwise normal, so what? I say someone just like me but who has taken another human's life is substantially different and needs special handling - like restitutive incarceration. What I don't buy from Mike's opinion is (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) That's one heckuva weird scenario. I probably fit into most of that as well, and I don't ever recall being put into a situation where peer pressure or anything else might have suggested that I murder someone. (...) Yep, put the kid down. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) What's so weird about it? Seriously. (...) Really? I got angry at people from time to time. I took myself way too seriously, and essentially plotted murder on a couple of occasions. When the littleton killings took place, I thought 'there, but (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | (...) What's so weird? The actually following through on thoughts of killing someone, I suppose. (...) I'd like to think otherwise, myself. The few times in my childhood and adult life that I have been truly angry enough to want to do physical harm (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Maybe in other countries. But in the US, "for the most part" what we have is drug offenders. There are more people in prison for drug offenses than there are for crimes with victims. And THAT: - is one of the reasons we have the highest per (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, I know. I think I specifically mentioned wasting tons of money on it in another post. Dunno if you and I would differ on the whole drug crimes thing or not. Drug users who don't steal, etc, don't bug me much at all. The pot smokers can (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Chris Moseley
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| | | | Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote (...) Larry, I believe even the USA abolished slavery some time ago. Unless you let the prisoners choose, and pay them, then you've just bought it back. (...) Frying is known to be ineffective. at least (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | (...) Hrmmm... interesting take on that opinion, I suppose. Certainly one of the ways people would try to prevent prison labor. 'Course, in my limited understanding of how prison industries work right now, the prisoners do, in fact, get paid. IMO, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | | Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote (...) Um, Mike, at some point crims have to say "what do I have left to lose", and there had better be something. Otherwise we're going to see a lot more dead cops at the very least. Or you let cops do a (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | Agree with a lot of what you say, but have to jump all over this. (...) They were no such thing and you're well aware of it. (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Chris Moseley
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| | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) I know :( But they had the extremes of poverty and power that are the worst problems of Libertarianism. Moz (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) Who said execution for any violation? Keep the open flames away from all that straw, please. Les Mis - seen the poster. Read some Dickens. Mostly bored with history after 479 AD. Wasn't aware that the French Revolution or any period in English (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | <37CBE249.ED54241B@voyager.net> <FHDLLL.AM6@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Straw dog. Not even worthy of the straw man title. You're positing from false assumptions, then attacking your (...) (25 years ago, 1-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Do you mean because we'd have a situation where officials would trump up charges to enslave innocents, or are you arguing that someone guilty of a crime with a victim (who has forfeited his rights because he would not acknowledge that others (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Misperceptions of America (Was: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep) —Chris Moseley
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| | | | Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote (...) That is one major problem, yes. Unless you have a 100% accurate legal system there is always the problem of compensating someone for a period of slavery. As we have discussed before, compensation relies (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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