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(...) Can you give an independent citation for that statistic? And some kind of causitive confirmation that the crime rate increased *because* gun control was initiated? Otherwise, the argument must be abandoned as a post hoc interpretation. That (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) gun (...) Written August 11, 1998 (URL) January 6, 2003 (URL) course the actual statistics no longer appear to be available. Go figure. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, thanks for the links. Unfortunately, the problem still remains that we cannot conclude that crime has risen *because* guns were banned, especially since the guns in the Dunblane incident were legally owned. Unless you propose arming (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snips for comedic effect> (...) That would be redundant. JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That would be redundant. Dave! (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can say that again. JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, that would be redundant. Dave! (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That made me smile. Reminded me of so many 'Hawkeye' moments from MASH. Thanks Dave K (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-) Reminds me of one of my favorite quotations by Mark Twain: "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress; but I repeat myself." JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All seriousness aside, I think I owe my incorrigible propensity to punning to watching Hawkeye and Groucho in my formative years:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Oh my goodness--last nights ep. of MASH is when that film crew was at the 4077th and Hawkeye 'took over' production. He and Trapper did the whole Groucho/Harpo thing (mostly with Radar as (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Groucho is the man! Anyone who hasn't seen Duck Soup has no business commenting on politics! Dave! (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, "Yankee Doodle Doctor." A fine piece of celluloid. Much of Hawkeye's routine in that episode is a direct homage to Groucho in "A Day at the Races," worth seeing despite some racial issues[1] that may be uncomfortable to modern viewers. (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Crikey! How can 2 people see things so differently and so yet be so synoptic?? No Dave!-- you da man:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) MASH did a pretty good 'racial' episode, in which a wounded soldier didn't want blood from 'those people'. Hawkeye sedated him and he and BJ took some dye and coloured the unconsious soldiers' skin a darker colour... Was a bit of a wake-up (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Mike Farrell <shudder> Actually, when M*A*S*H* started getting preachy is about when the series jumped the shark IMO. Charles was a poor foil, and Margaret mellowed too much after Frank left. It is interesting to watch the original movie and (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shame on both of you! Trapper John was the accomplice in that episode! Synoptic, indeed! Dave! (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (stab in the dark) How do you feel about the Alan Parsons Project? JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Love the movie--did Robert Duvall pull of Frank--it was perfect. Frank in the series was too fake--there were some good bits, but overall, I found Frank to be too over-the-top. Trapper was great, but I also liked BJ--that's a tough one. And (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D'oh! That particular ep I haven't seen in such a long time--just remember the overview--my bad! Dave K (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I like some stuff, but I'm not a huge fan. I believe Parsons engineered Pink Floyd's album "The Dark Side of the Moon," of which I'm quite fond... Dave! (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I know that Parsons engineered one or more of Floyd's albums--my friend, the Pink Floyd 'freak' would know which one(s)--I'll ask him. I'm a fan of Floyd, my favourite being 'Momentary Lapse..." as well as "Division Bell", which had the same (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Oh, he most definitely produced Dark Side of the Moon, one of the greatest rock albums ever IMO. JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I can't remember album titles off the top of my head... But a group that comes up with Obscured by Clouds Animals Umbagummba (that's spelled soooo way off... lemmee check the 'net...) Ummagumma (I was close... ;) ) A Saucerful of Secrets Atom (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) My biggest beef with MASH is that it was rather blatant in its bias, and worse, it was good enough that it made Alan Alda and Mike Farrell (useful idiots both) and other fellow travelers shedfuls of cash. But it's a pretty funny show (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The MASH movie, as intended by the director, wasn't suppose to mention that it took place in Korea at all to 'blur' the line between thinking it was about Korea or about Vietnam. Another interesting tid-bit about the movie was that there was (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, but both articles site that illegally owned firearms were/are responsible for the vast majority of crime. The first article states that tighter gun control will not have any positive impact (but probably have a negative one) on the crime (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: **snip of some stuff, including a good reminder about North Korea*** (...) It should be remembered that one can (or can prefer to) watch a program without swallowing its "message" hook, line, and (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're stripping away the numbers for the sake of a punchline. According to the first article, the number of firearms-related murders in 1996 England/Wales was 49. Forty-nine! Pittsburgh alone had 47 murders in 1996, and we don't have a gun (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) Or when Harry Morgan was cast as a 'crazy general guy' and, like 4 episodes later-ish, he was the commanding officer of the 4077th. Think anyone would notice that? There was a website I (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well then they must have said something about Hawkeye making some remark about credit cards-- which I don't believe were around during the Korean war. Maggie C. (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ugly John also played Captain Muldoon, in a later-series one-shot in which the doctors had to run Rosie's Bar while she recovered from cracked ribs. They played Revolving Asians, too. Mako portrayed three different roles that I can think of, (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It would also be a mistake to think that they weren't at least unconsciously influenced by it... (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) Here's a site that I came across when this topic came up (URL) has a good list of goofs--I think the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com) probably has another such list. Regardless of (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps it's a case of the program showing what the viewers wanted to see, so that the program was in turn influenced by the viewership? This is obviously similar to The West Wing. I haven't seen even one second of that show, but does it (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snipped the numbers] Ok you are only siting the murder rate and calling it the crime rate. Armed robbery is where increase is. The murder rate is essentially unchanged between countries with or without strict gun control. I cannot seem to find any (...) (21 years ago, 4-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm afraid that I'm not a man of faith, so I can't accept your word without evidence, especially since your entire argument depends on it. If you intend to convince me (or anyone else who doesn't already agree with you), you'll need to find (...) (21 years ago, 4-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[Snip] (...) I want to know where all these pro-gun whacko sites are getting their numbers from. (URL) find it interesting that I can not find any numbers from the anti-gun whacko sites. (...) I had said that from the get go. (URL) (...) not. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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