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    Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Frank Filz
   (...) I think many countries want the US to be the policement, but only when they're interests are at risk. In my opinion, we have a small responsibility to protect Europe, however, those countries being in pretty good economic condition, the help (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Ronald Vallenduuk
     <snip> I think many countries want the US to be the policement, but only when they're interests are at risk.</snip> I don't know about other countries, but a lot of people here in Holland aren't impressed with America taking the role of police (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Larry Pieniazek
      I fixed Duk's quoting, he did it in a nonstandard way. I found one thing to agree with in the post. The rest is pretty hateful and divorced from reality though... (...) Great. Glad to hear it. I'm not the only person who thinks you lot (and a number (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Scott Arthur
       (...) I thought Duq made a lot of very good points in his post. I'm disappointed that both you and Frank have chosen to respond to him with name calling. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          namecalling —Larry Pieniazek
      (...) (URL) gives "an ungrateful person", or "a person who shows no gratitude"... none of the meanings it lists have any negative connotation beyond that. Ya, that's namecalling all right. (1) But of course, words like "airhead", "poodle", "lapdog", (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: namecalling —Bruce Schlickbernd
       (...) Well spotted on the hypocrisy - he's just grinding his usual axe. And I wish to note that I have great respect for the way Frank expresses his opinions (we could all learn a lesson by emulating him). But, ummmmm, errrrr, I'd agree with most of (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: namecalling —Pedro Silva
        (...) Which was partly (if not all) the result of quotes from the press. (...) Put a Warhead in the middle, and you'll have Cerberus (ya know, the dog that guarded the Styx...) ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: namecalling —David Koudys
        (...) So we're going on our merry way of having a pretty good debate about world issues, politics, and the threat of war--I was pretty content to sit back after I started this thread, and read all the well written replies and appreciating the (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: namecalling —Pedro Silva
         (...) Very true. (...) *Ahem* Without American manpower, yes; without American Lend-lease, Britain would have been forced to truce eventually. And that would mean more Axis soldiers to the Eastern Front, which in turn would mean perhaps the Soviets (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Back on track... (was Re: namecalling —Larry Pieniazek
         (...) Don't worry, Dave, it's not hijacked. It's just been temporarily diverted but is back on track now. (...) He's been caught out, we can move on. Everyone just needs to ignore all the responses you know we're going to get, trying to prove black (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: namecalling —Bruce Schlickbernd
         (...) Don't you think this message should be in reply to Scott, or perhaps Duq, or Larry? Or was my message just a convenient jumping off point? (...) Looking down below at completely unrelated material below...ummmm, yeah. (...) The Soviet Union (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            1776 and all that [was Re: namecalling] —Scott Arthur
        (...) I think you mean Britain. (...) My American History is not great, but I'm pretty sure only a minority of the American-Settlers thought that *Britain* was a Tyrant and so chose to “revolt”. Further, their WoI would not have taken the path it (...) (21 years ago, 3-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: namecalling —Larry Pieniazek
        (...) Oh, ya... me too. But that's not the point of my post. (...) On Wintel machines, Launch MSWord and type "(tm)" and it turns into the superscript TM symbol. Then paste the symbol in to your post. That works for many (but not all) browsers. I (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: namecalling —Bruce Schlickbernd
        (...) What's a wintel? Windows? Airhead and Blairhead ™. Thar we go! Not that I can actually read it.... -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: namecalling —John Neal
        (...) Hey =>Bruce<=, even a Mac User knows that! :-) Any CPU using running Windows with an Intel chip. (But don't ask me what a CPU is;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 3-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: namecalling —Scott Arthur
        (...) I agree with this comment 99%. Part of the 1% is the post I refereed to where he called Duq a "another America hater". I think these sort of comments are very weak. I don't agree with 100% of Duq's post, but he does make a lot of very valid (...) (21 years ago, 2-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: namecalling —Scott Arthur
      (...) You are mixing political satire with being offensive. I just don't see the point of calling someone's comments "hatful", ungrateful or as being "divorced from reality" as being all that constructive. I’d have been less concerned if you had (...) (21 years ago, 2-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Joakim Olsson
       "Duq" <lugnetpost@skipthis...tmfweb.nl> wrote in message news:H9JqHM.2IM@lugnet.com... snip (...) and (...) LOL, good post. /Jocke (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Frank Filz
      (...) Inherently I support the idea of a world court, but I'm not sure how to implement it to give it appropriate teeth. I was going to talk about my feelings of two noteable incidents of US pilots attacking non-enemies. From what I can see, I hope (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Scott Arthur
      (...) From whom? (...) Which they use to hold land which does not belong to them and kill women and children. Does it make you feel pround to know this bomb had "made in the usa" stamped on the side: (URL)If we went in and disarmed them (like some (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Bruce Schlickbernd
     (...) A lot of people in America aren't impressed with us being the world's policemen, either, regardless of the individual cases. But to run down the list... Pakistan: if we were to deal with Pakistan, we would have to deal with the trigger device (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Pedro Silva
      (...) At this point in time, I disagree. But in the mid-term that can happen and probably will. Mind you, that does NOT imply in any way that Europe automatically becomes an antagonist to the US! (...) ??? Do you mean anything other than the (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Bruce Schlickbernd
      (...) (Frank Filz writes) (...) You don't feel Europe is capable of defending itself? In what sense? Conventional war in Europe itself? Or just their oversees interests? (...) I mean the whole of the 20th century. The United States was dragged into (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Pedro Silva
      (...) Both, but only the first is really important (for the second I prefer cunning diplomacy). The difficulty in the defense of Europe against any military threat has to do with the almost impossibility of establishing standards for a unified army. (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Bruce Schlickbernd
      (...) Esperanto: that will simply annoy everyone. French: the french ears will be offended by the corruption of their language! English: it would drive everyone nuts trying to figure out whether they should say Lew-ten-ant or Left-ten-ant, Kernal or (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Pedro Silva
      (...) Not to mention it would be a nightmare in terms of crypting; everyone already speaks English anyway :-D (...) Actually, I'm learning German. It's not even half as hard as I had thought! (ok, so it takes *time* to learn... ;-) (...) Nope. If (...) (21 years ago, 1-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Ronald Vallenduuk
      "Bruce Schlickbernd" <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote in message news:H9LEJC.7q@lugnet.com... <snip> Middle East oil goes to Europe, where they drive their 5 liter V12 engines (...) I (...) No, the point is we don't have 5 liter V12 engines. Normal (...) (21 years ago, 1-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Speed limits (was:Here's one of the many things I don't understand...) —Pedro Silva
      (...) In Italy *some* cars are allowed to drive up to 150 km/h. And in a country of the Iberian Peninsula which shall remain nameless one can illegally drive 1.6 liter engines to the limit, at 200km/h, without much fear of being arrested... :-) (...) (21 years ago, 1-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Bruce Schlickbernd
     (...) Ummmmm, do you understand the significance of the smiley face I put behind the statement? What I said was accurate, but I knew it not to be the norm, and thus the smiley face so you'd know not to take it too seriously. But I will stress that (...) (21 years ago, 2-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Scott Arthur
      (...) As your own country's history shows, anti-Semitism, ethnic cleansing, genocide and racial/ethnic/religious intolerance is not a uniquely European experience. Zionism was an established philosophy well before WW2 and some form of Jewish (...) (21 years ago, 3-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand... —Scott Arthur
   (...) I think we all have a duty to defend freedom where it is threatened... even if it means out multinationals loose $$$. Take a look at what the UK did in Sierra Leon: (URL) was not perfect. UK lives were lost. But democracy was restored. It was (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 

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