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(...) I keep coming back here for the sheer entertainment value. Is better than tv! At least there's "dem dar edumicated talking" going on here... ;) Dave K (23 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) People do lots of weird stuff for sake of amusement. Is amusing yourself (and others) a waste of time? Chris (23 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I agree with everything you have stated above, and I love to find someone who is 'smarter than me' to cite. I would add, however, if I get the source wrong, and the source is refuted, it in no way diminishes what the point was, it just (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There was once, well, a West Wing episode ;) , in which a pollster mentioned a little tale about polls-- " Polls tell us that people are sick and tired of hearing about sexual scandals of politicians, and yet the ratings of any show that (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that is probably an overly broad statement. About the Caesar quote... The importance of getting the cite and who said it correctly has to do with a rhetorical technique called an appeal to authority. The person making the quote is (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I may have mentioned before, we have to look at, struggle with, refute, and generally deal with the *issues*, and not the person. Larry's point was that he would never accept ideas and concepts coming from the idiot box, or specifically (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is actually a victory for Bush. His sabre rattling has led to SH saying he will allow inspectors back in. Bush's bluster has made him look like he has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. (...) As I understand it, the only limitation (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's probably as overstated as Larry's original point. I think Larry's more general point is how information is fed to one subliminally through various media, and how often people do not put the source of the information under much (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Geez, you mean it isn't real. Wow a TV show that isn't grounded in reality? You mean Mr. Ed really couldn't talk? Sally Fields really couldn't fly as a nun? All those police, hospital and family shows are fake? Larry, exactly how uninformed do (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Tunnel through the center of the Earth (was Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing")
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(...) The terminal velocity will primarily be a function of the density of the air and the surface area of the body. The force being applied will have some effect. Basically what will happen is that near the center of the Earth, the friction from (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Tunnel through the center of the Earth (was Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing")
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(...) Which of course happens as soon as you pass the center... Though the friction of rolling down the side of the tunnel might be enough to stop you at the center. Frank (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now that I pictured that, I understand it better--the force of gravity is always pointing straight to the center from the object, even if you're a foot to the right from where you were a second ago--my visual image is reprocessed--thanks! (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Iraqi official suggests Bush, Saddam duel (Oh, please!)
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(...) Reading thru this article, as well as watching and reading a variety of media sources, is Bush just looking for a fight? Bush demands the inspectors be let in, they said the inspectors could come in, and now Bush is trying to change the rules. (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Quoting David Koudys <dkoudys@redeemer.on.ca>: (...) I think it'll feel like you're rolling down a steep hill, constantly crashing against the eastern wall. (...) uh, why? gravity is pulling straight down, your momentum is at 90 degs to the force - (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would it be a $#*crash*#$ into the side or more of a 'rubbing' every once in a while to stop the sideways velocity. Considering that gravity is pulling straight down, and the original velocity from the surface spin is moving you east at (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would claim that the most correct answer to this problem in a math class is "I can't answer that question because insufficient information is given." A teacher who did give this problem though should award credit to anyone who provides an (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just for reference, I don't think "quoteth" is a word (TIMBW). Are you thinking of "quoth" perhaps? (...) Since you're on a laudable anti-postmodernist kick, I'll throw a PM word at you for your arsenal: Rhizome. In its basic meaning it (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, that would eliminate the rotation. (...) Since your original problem statement assumed there was no problem with a molten core, I think it's also reasonable to assume the water isn't a problem (you can make a dam from all the earth you (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Pistols. Better chance of them both fatally wounding each other. So who is the challenged and has the choice of weapons? :-) (URL) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) If the point that still stands is "Everything in parenthesis was added by David", that is correct. If, however, the point that still stands is "and is incorrectly associated with the (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | I believe in IDIC (was Re: I don't "believe" in Australia (was Re: John Leo's opinion))
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(...) It was Spocks way of saying human nature is as reliable as the forces of natural law. I thought that idea, though others might disagree, was quite astute. (...) <snip> Yes, also don't miss the "heart filter" that McCoy uses to filter out the (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: I don't "believe" in Australia (was Re: John Leo's opinion)
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(...) Actually, the phrase can be Googled and a WAV of it found fairly readily. The episode was "Court Martial" and Spock was comparing his confidence in knowing that if he let go of a hammer on a planet with positive gravity, he would know that it (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Never thought about the rotation--there was an H.G. Wells story about a guy that was granted a wish and his was for the earth to stop spinning--turns out that when the wish was mentioned, the earth stopped instantly anad everything that wasn't (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you for the clarification, on rereading I see that they are your words, my apologies. Point still stands though. (...) A list neither IS nor ISN'T a sequence (or chain of inferences, note the difference). Further it neither IS nor ISN'T (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've wondered this in the past also. If the planet were not rotating, I think the answer would be that your analysis is correct. Note that you would be in a zero-G environment (or close to it) at the center assuming the Earth is close to an (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bit of both, actually. 1 parent is Jewish, 1 is Christian. (...) Her Doctorate and masters et al are in Physiology, but her post doc work is in counselling and she is a licensed marriage, child & family counsellor in California. So (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Still a "Funny Girl"
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(...) -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Everything in the *paragraph* was written by me and was *exactly* what I wanted to say with my first post about refuting an arguement by refuting one point--that by disputing one point of the list of evidence does not make *all* points null (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, they botched the case alright... Frankly, I don't know who did this double homicide -- nor does anyone else as aptly pointed out by Larry. O.J. looks good for it, but I can't see why a person of his apparent means would do something like (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, I think, has accepted that this is a bogus quote, if he ever even believe it in the first place. Sadly, some celebrities are less eager to check their sources: (URL) Dave! (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | I don't "believe" in Australia (was Re: John Leo's opinion)
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(...) Was that from "The Alternative Factor?" I haven't seen much TOS in quite a while, so my memory may be faulty. The problem is that his statement as you quoted it had no boundaries, so we could only assume that it applied to the universe at (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even worse than that--she's a nobody with a radio show and who passes herself off as an educated authority on the subject in which she pretends expertise. Dave! (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) David please do not mark up my words as you did in the next paragraph. It is confusing to the readership and extremely poor form. (...) Everything in parenthesis was added by David, and is incorrectly associated with the same inference. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very nicely put, Larry... However, my point was outlined with the second reasoning you made--that given a list of claims, (FEF1 (blood), FEF2 (DNA), FEF3 (motive), FEF4 (whatever)... FEFn) and one of those claims was refuted, it does not mean (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure I agree here. A bit of logic might help. If I assert: (-> == implies ) A -> B and B -> C and C -> D are all true , and thus A -> D is true and provide facts or evidence FAB in support of A -> B FBC in support of B -> C FCD in (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Snipped for effect. (...) "Again" as in; you previously had it figured out, seemed to have gone through a patch just now where you didn't, and now you do have it figured out "again". NOT as in; you got into it with him before... Helps? (...) As far (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well said Richard. What I would endeavour to change in the above, though, is, well, let me put it this way-- Having a debate where one side says, "This, this, this, this and this proves my point" (of course, all 'this''s are backed up by link (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> intellectual posturor! (...) This is what I meant by Spock phrasing it better--he said something like 'on a planet with positive gravity'--it's ST:TOS--when was the last time I caught one of those episodes? ;) I don't have to witness (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Y'know, I've actually thought about Scott's communciation style here a little bit and my general impression is that he, like many of us, tries to read what is here and make reasonably quick responses without getting too bogged down in the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gosh, was it that many? The amusing thing is that in my very first post I noted that my answers to him were not entirely serious, nor did they particularly represent my own viewpoint. As to the "again?? this time??" I must note that I don't (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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