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(...) I'm American(1), and I don't like him either, but I'll likewise give him the benefit. However, a number of right-wing demagogues in the media *still* gripe about Clinton as if he's *still* busily destroying the entirety of the universe, but (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: Dave! (...) Its definitly okay to call youself American. I have as yet to meet a person in Canada who thinks differently. On our news, in our papers, we call you guys south of the 49th 'Americans'. (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. So your pols are all American, then? (Ottawa -> 45.42N,75.7W) Steve (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Come on, Steve. They gave us Michael J. Fox--don't wish American politicians on him. Of course, they did dump Alanis Morisette on us. What if we give them Ross Perot? Dave! (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You did, I work for EDS in Ottawa, Ontario. Jude (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, call us even. Dave! (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (ka-snip of worthy observations regarding Bush, Enron, the Conservative Media, etc.). (...) United Statesian is so confusing to those of us who live so close to the border of the United States of Mexico. Which United Statesian are they (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Note: there are other nations with "United States" on their name: Brazil is oficcially "Federative Republic of the United States of Brazil". Obviously, they call themselves brazilians) (...) I dispute the term - isn't there a single America (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Carrion? ;-) John (22 years ago, 30-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I came up with this great idea the other day. We should release quarters with the Canadian provinces the way we're doing with American states. It was a silly conversation, but I was just imagining the uproar (from all sides) if our mint (...) (22 years ago, 30-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Central African(s). Bruce (no, really, I looked it up <g>) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) USians is the one I usually hear. (YooEssian) (...) No; America is "place of Amerigo;" if you have two continents, they become "the places of Amerigo," or "Americas." I guess maybe by the rules of Latin it might be "Americae" but I think (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) And I hasten to add that I grew up *due north* of Canada...in the United States (shouldn't be hard to figure out where). :) LFB (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I stand corrected (I checked since for Portuguese too, in which case both terms can be used; traditionally, we did not refer to a separation between the two continents - now we apparently do) (...) That was before I was born! (J.B. Bokassa was (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I don't think there is any part of the United States that is due north of any part of Canada, unless you're talking about that little wedge of land known as the pan handle of Alaska--that may be due north of Victoria Island. Alaska is more of (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You also have to ignore embassies. :-) Jude BTW, Santa lives in Quebec (All postal codes beginning with H are in la belle province). (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Postal Services worldwide, being overwhelmed by lettters from the kids to Santa Claus, petitioned the Canadian Government for years to change a specific Postal Code(1). One of the last things PET did before he stepped down was to make an (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) With respect I was always told he lived in Lapland so I wonder if the Finnish government has fictitiously done something similar. (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean fictitious? Jude (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I construed the asterisked part of David's post as saying that in fact Trudeau did no such thing. If he did then I guess I mean have the Finns actually done something similar. (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep, I have no idea if Pierre did anything of the sort--was a brief interlude into 'Dave's Little World (DLW)' wherein Santa is Canadian, I get payed playing EQ, we all get along the world over, and I get LEGO for Christmas every year of my (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you ever read Clive Cussler's _Night Probe!_? :) Steve (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Reality doesn't suck; it just predates Trudeau. :) (URL) postal code has been H0H 0H0 for more than 20 years, and for the last 18 years, postal volunteers help Santa answer his mail; last year over 1 million letters were answered in 26 (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I thought that was about alien abduction. Dave! (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I thought you were going to start arguing that Santa was not real. I am glad you didn't cause Suz would end up with having to deal with a possible flame war. ;-) Jude (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ROFLMAO!!! Jude (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message ... (...) with (...) our (...) of (...) Especially since the Canadian mint has already done it :-) Kevin ---...--- NEW shopping mall kit, 1328 pieces! (URL) Lego Building contest results: (URL) Lego parts store: (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Wrongo! I'm so disappointed. I thought Canadians had a better grasp of geography than Americans. Parts of southeastern Michigan--including much of Detroit--are indeed due *north* of Ontario. I'm sorry, we'll have to deduct 10 points from your (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OMGoodness--Entirely didn't realize about Michigan... Now I'm looking at an Ontario map and holy moly, lookit all that Michigan to the north of Windsor! Wow, Dave gets a lesson in Geography today... So there you are. Dave (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heck, doesn't a large portion of the Canadian population live south of the 49th (going back to the phrase that started this subthread)? I don't have access to a good map right now (well, I probably do, but don't know where to surf to), but (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So technically they share exactly the same problem as Americans: the noun refers purely to geography, not the people. You are not alone!... :-) Pedro (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I think they are the Ubangi and some other tribes, and no, I think you got the noun exactly opposite: America is the country, Americans are the people. Note the (s) after Central African - cut and pasted exactly as written ("Noun:" that (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Check this if you want to see who lives in the CAR and what languges they speak: (URL) best LFB n.b.: The term "tribes" is very pejorative. Sorry, it's a pet peeve. If you want to know why, I can elaborate over in .debate, complete with links. (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) The Dutch say Sinterklaas comes from Spain. With his little Moor, Zwarte Piet. No, it's probably best if we don't discuss *that* little tradition... best LFB (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps I'm confusing American Indian practices where I've always understood it to be okay to use the terms "tribe" or "tribal". Perhaps I'm relying too much on my Apache co-workers, who don't have a problem with "Indian" either, (beyond of (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yeah, it's part of the problem with the US public's perception of Africa and Africans. "Tribe" tends to imply unchanging, eternal objectness, primitivism, isolation, and unsophistication. "Tribalism" is the term given to the artificial (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm finding this stuff fascinating. I don't associate any of those things with tribalism, but it seems from the reading you provided that there are at least several people who see this as a problem. I think of tribalism (or at least what _I_ (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me interrupt: not to me (or at least not to date). To me it's a grouping of people, possibly linguistic, certainly of shared traditions and values. But I suppose I'm not typical of the American public (Oooooooo, are we back to that United (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The problem with "tribalism" as it's called is that it tends to be insular--that's the implication of the term. Communitarianism as I understand it needs to owrk on many levels; in that sense it's like a single organization with local chapters (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Noted. I made some confusion when translating this into my own native language, then back; what I meant wasn't exactly what I wrote, and I only realize that now. Sorry 'bout it. :-( Clarification: I meant to express the similaritude in the (...) (22 years ago, 1-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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