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Given the amount of debate here following Sept 11th, I am surprised this hasn't come up in this forum before. Are the al-Qaida suspects detained at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base being treated fairly? And if the US is at war with terrorists, are they (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They are human beings first. As far as I can see the whole issue is being undertaken for the benefit of US domestic opinion - which *appears* to largely support what is happening (the power of governing by focus group). I'm sure OBL is very (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hasn't come up in this forum before. (...) treated fairly? (...) Dubya conveniently avoided having to worry about that distinction by not actually declaring war. The 'war on terror' is a colloquialism, a title for a foreign policy inititive (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"John Grubber" <jgrubber2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:GqCuAF.n30@lugnet.com... snip (...) Several of them are British. Hardly as you describe. Though many in the UK would say 'serve them right' lawrence (23 years ago, 22-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, but that is just about the only thing they can say about the issue. Interestingly, I heard Rumsfeld say quite clearly yesterday that they were "terrorists". Comments like that should help make in future jury impartial... not! Scott A (23 years ago, 23-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As an aside to begin with I am concerned that no Americans have responded to this thread. Possible reasons for this are: They have not seen the pictures we have and so do not think the prisoners are being mistreated. They have seen more (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Simon Bennett" <simon.bennett@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:GqFsCC.Mvy@lugnet.com... (...) And further more, why was the American citizen who was captured with the al-qiada taken to Washington, and not to Cuba? So suddenly it is one rule for (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because that is what the media and the focus groups want. :=\ Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Probably. I suspect you mean, "are they being treated legally?", to which I would answer, probably not. (...) Interesting gray area. In the conventional sense, I would think not - but they would then have the rights of any accused criminal (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | left-leaning pantywaists in Britain (Re: So are they prisoners of war or what?)
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(...) Lawrence You are nothing but a left leaning pantywaist! Below are two views on this issue which I read at the weekend: From the New York Times, Jan 29 ==+== Following the standards of the Geneva convention, a treaty signed by Washington and (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And totally misses the point, though the first one about standards of justice stares it in the face and still misses it. The point is whether they are being treated better or worse than American citizens accused of similar crimes would be (I (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I invite anyone better informed to comment on this, of course: It's my understanding that Walker has committed crimes different from those committed by the other detainees. Since Walker is a citizen, for instance, he is able to commit treason (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) That's a pretty interesting discussion of lawful combatants versus al-Qaeda. Personally, I'd like for the determination of "lawfulness" of the combatants to be made by a judge or somesuch, because then it would be "official" and written (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) is alleged to have (...) alleged to have been (...) Indeed. But there are UK "detainees" in Cuba too. Could these guys not have committed treason against the UK? Could they not go on trial in the UK with real charges against them? (...) One (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oops. Fair enough. (...) Maybe--has the UK made any effort to extradite those detainees (who have, I understand, reported that conditions in the detainment center are perfectly adequate)? That's a good question, though. What's the UK's policy (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was claimed that they were "happy" - which I thought odd. (...) Concerned, but non-troubling making is how I’d describe it: Straw to quiz US on UK captives (URL) (...) That is irrelevant (even if true). But I do wonder how the next US POW's (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The UK detainees are still different from Walker. The current action in Afghanistan is a direct reaction to an attack on US soil. This Walker is alleged to have treasoned against the US, the UK detainees are just non Afghans, just like the (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought that Walker was charged with acting against coalition forces in Afghanistan – not involvement in the events of 11.09.01? (...) That was my understanding. (...) Given that his change of sides was so complete, I must admit it did (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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