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Re: Try for summary of this debate...
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Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:00:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> Here's a cut of my thinking on where things stand...
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> Without numbers, we have no idea if these avatars are a load (bandwidth
> wise) on the server sufficient to know if Kevin should be concerned. Kevin
> would have those numbers and could share them if he was so inclined. He
> hasn't yet... maybe he's waiting for a consensus or maybe he isn't aware or
> maybe he's busy or whatever.
Just looking at the size of these, they seem negligible even compared to the
stuff in my own folders. So I don't think bandwidth is a huge factor. The
main beef I would have is that they put each one in a separate folder (which
you talk about below).
> I think a way to suppress that pollution would be good. Not just for these
> images but for a LOT of categories of images that really aren't "newsworthy"
> per se, they are just images being hosted there for convenience.
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> Not having them appear in recent does NOT in any way shape or form reduce
> their utility as images served up in some other context (eBay, BZ, Folder
> headings once you actually have content there, etc), unless I am greatly
> missing something. (I am not swayed by the "the author thinks it is
> significant" argument for an avatar... education will fix that)
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> Making the default "don't update recent with this" would help. Putting some
> help text in on why it (pollution of recent) is a problem would help.
> Education of users would help. I suspect most avatar creators, were it
> explained to them what's thoughtful and what isn't, would do the right
> thing. Even the 9 year old ones would, I suspect. People are generally good.
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> (just as I suspect once it's re-explained that .announce isn't the place for
> MOC postings, most people will do the right thing. In some ways these are
> somewhat similar...)
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> Perhaps the BZ helps could be addressed NOW to at least not get one folder
> per avatar... that would be a good help. We have had some participants here
> who said they are BZ admins. Can we at least get that change made regardless
> of other outcomes?
This would make a big difference, and is a great suggestion. Anyone at BZ
listening?
> But the downside of this "don't update recent" suggestion is that it takes
> technical work. Kevin would be the best judge of hardness of the work. He
> would need to carry out an analysis. Maybe it's easy. Maybe it's really
> hard. Dunno yet. Then if it was easy enough he'd have to do the actual work.
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> SO it would not happen immediately, presumably.
Another suggestion (which would also require technical work) would be to
have a separate procedure (page) to upload avatars. Maybe put them in a
folder called "avatars" in the user's folder, maybe even have a direct
interface on BZ, but certainly a link to it, rather than the general
brickshelf link. Then we can either just put up with it (they'll all be in
one folder), or recent.cgi can even specifically exclude these folders from
the query.
ROSCO
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