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Re: Cuba is a terrorist state (was Re: Any truth in this one - Cuba as a terrostist state.
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > Any truth in this one - Cuba as a terrostist state.
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> I'm comfortable with the designation of Cuba as a terrorist state, (1). That
> perception of mine is based mostly on my perception of their actions in the
> 1980s in Africa.
Do you have a reference for this?
>
> Recently they seem to have calmed down whether because they wanted to or
> because they have no power any more is a different matter. That begs another
> interesting question. Is it possible for a country to move off the list if
> there is no change in regime and no repudiation of what went before or
> admission of guilt or reparation?
>
> Libya seems to have changed its ways, for instance.
The interesting thing about Libya is the hassle it got for the Pam-Am
bombing over my fair land. It turns out that one of the accused was innocent
and the second is appealing his conviction. I wonder if Libya will get some
sort of an apology if the second chap is found innocent on appeal? Or is
Libya still implicated?
> The MPs cited seem to have chosen a weak example of Cuba's plight.
At least two of them are know trouble makers. One of them was against our
taking on Iraq without UN support. Then when the operation got UN support,
he was still against it.
But what about Mr Bosch:
From The New York Times, 15 November 1976
==+==
Six Indicted in Venezuela
In the case of the Cuban airliner, six persons, including Dr. Orlando Bosch,
a Cuban exile physician, have been indicted in Venezuela on charges of
sabotage. The others include Luis Posada Garriles, a Cuban-born naturalized
Venezuelan citizen who was trained by the United States Central Intelligence
Agency and who has been running a private detective agency in Venezuela. Dr.
Bosch, who has worked in Miami as a pediatrician, violated probation by
leaving the United States after he was paroled in 1974 from a 10-year prison
sentence for firing a rocket at a Polish ship anchored in Miami. He was
nevertheless allowed to move freely from Venezuela to Chile, Nicaragua,
Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic and back to Venezuela. Several Miami
residents and Dr. Bosch met in the Dominican Republic in July and issued a
statement declaring their intention of waging a terrorist campaign against
Cuba. Cuban sources here said Manuel Artime, a former commander of
American-trained anti-Castro raiders, had been in touch with Dr. Bosch and
other exiles in Nicaragua, where President Anastasio Somoza is an ardent
opponent of the Castro Government and a business partner of Mr. Artime.
Offered to Return Bosch
On two occasions, when Dr. Bosch was arrested in Venezuela and Costa Rica
and offers were made to send him back to the United States as a parole
violator, the Department of Justice refused to have him returned. Now that
the has been implicated in the Cuban airliner case, the United States
Embassy in Venezuela has asked that he be returned if not convicted.
According to the Miami police, Cuban exile extremists operate in a murky
underworld, where anti-Communist and patriotic motives are often mixed with
criminal extortion to obtain funds and with traffic in arms and drugs. Their
activities have also affected relations between Cuba and other Caribbean
countries as well as future United States-Cuban relations under a new
administration in Washington. The recent increase in anti-Castro activities
followed a decision by the Organization of American States in March 1975 to
end the break in diplomatic and economic relations with Cuba. Nine member
countries have now restored relations. Any such normalization is opposed by
the anti-Castro militants and by right-wing governments, like those of Chile
and Nicaragua.
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Lost History: The CIA's Fugitive Terrorist
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/lost13.html
Scott A
> Spying is
> spying and if you get caught, you get punished, that's how that game is
> played. We spy all the time too. Not sure that's such a good thing, but are
> there alternatives? Dunno.
>
> 1 - as well as North Korea, who are much much higher on the list, if there
> is an ordering. Anybody trying for WMD for no real reason makes my personal
> list (and that includes India and Pakistan too, I suppose, although that
> begs the question of why it's OK for us to have them and not India).
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