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Re: Cuba is a terrorist state (was Re: Any truth in this one - Cuba as a terrostist state.
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Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:20:35 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > Any truth in this one - Cuba as a terrostist state.
> >
> > I'm comfortable with the designation of Cuba as a terrorist state, (1). That
> > perception of mine is based mostly on my perception of their actions in the
> > 1980s in Africa.
>
> Do you have a reference for this?
I dunno about Larry's references, but I can confirm this. According to a
cuban veteran I spoke to while in Cuba, he was in Angola in the early
eighties. A number of people here who have had business there (Angola, not
Cuba) by then reported Cuban presence along with government troops, fighting
UNITA.
As wether this can be called terrorism, well... tchnically, they were there
on demand, not "invading" - and there was a war on.
Other countries in Africa where cuban presence was reported include former
Zaire, but I don't have any references about those.
> > Recently they seem to have calmed down whether because they wanted to or
> > because they have no power any more is a different matter. That begs another
> > interesting question. Is it possible for a country to move off the list if
> > there is no change in regime and no repudiation of what went before or
> > admission of guilt or reparation?
> >
> > Libya seems to have changed its ways, for instance.
And Syria now, apparentely. (just saw on the news)
> The interesting thing about Libya is the hassle it got for the Pam-Am
> bombing over my fair land. It turns out that one of the accused was innocent
> and the second is appealing his conviction. I wonder if Libya will get some
> sort of an apology if the second chap is found innocent on appeal? Or is
> Libya still implicated?
Hmm... tough one. I'd say there is a rather *fair* belief the Lybians were
involved in the Lockerbie crash - Khadaffi's declarations did not help at
all. If those blokes are guilty or not *themselves*, well...
But right now I believe it would be of interest for all (including US) to
lift sanctions and re-include Lybia in the World Affairs. 10 years is a long
time, and it is likely the lesson was learned.
> > The MPs cited seem to have chosen a weak example of Cuba's plight.
>
> At least two of them are know trouble makers. One of them was against our
> taking on Iraq without UN support. Then when the operation got UN support,
> he was still against it.
>
>
> But what about Mr Bosch:
> From The New York Times, 15 November 1976
> ==+==
> Six Indicted in Venezuela
>
> In the case of the Cuban airliner, six persons, including Dr. Orlando Bosch,
> a Cuban exile physician, have been indicted in Venezuela on charges of
> sabotage. The others include Luis Posada Garriles, a Cuban-born naturalized
> Venezuelan citizen who was trained by the United States Central Intelligence
> Agency and who has been running a private detective agency in Venezuela. Dr.
> Bosch, who has worked in Miami as a pediatrician, violated probation by
> leaving the United States after he was paroled in 1974 from a 10-year prison
> sentence for firing a rocket at a Polish ship anchored in Miami.
!
And then they say they *like* "guns-for-all" in the US... :-P
> He was
> nevertheless allowed to move freely from Venezuela to Chile, Nicaragua,
> Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic and back to Venezuela. Several Miami
> residents and Dr. Bosch met in the Dominican Republic in July and issued a
> statement declaring their intention of waging a terrorist campaign against
> Cuba. Cuban sources here said Manuel Artime, a former commander of
> American-trained anti-Castro raiders, had been in touch with Dr. Bosch and
> other exiles in Nicaragua, where President Anastasio Somoza is an ardent
> opponent of the Castro Government and a business partner of Mr. Artime.
>
> Offered to Return Bosch
>
> On two occasions, when Dr. Bosch was arrested in Venezuela and Costa Rica
> and offers were made to send him back to the United States as a parole
> violator, the Department of Justice refused to have him returned. Now that
> the has been implicated in the Cuban airliner case, the United States
> Embassy in Venezuela has asked that he be returned if not convicted.
> According to the Miami police, Cuban exile extremists operate in a murky
> underworld, where anti-Communist and patriotic motives are often mixed with
> criminal extortion to obtain funds and with traffic in arms and drugs. Their
> activities have also affected relations between Cuba and other Caribbean
> countries as well as future United States-Cuban relations under a new
> administration in Washington. The recent increase in anti-Castro activities
> followed a decision by the Organization of American States in March 1975 to
> end the break in diplomatic and economic relations with Cuba. Nine member
> countries have now restored relations. Any such normalization is opposed by
> the anti-Castro militants and by right-wing governments, like those of Chile
> and Nicaragua.
> ==+==
>
> Lost History: The CIA's Fugitive Terrorist
> http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/lost13.html
>
> Scott A
>
> > Spying is
> > spying and if you get caught, you get punished, that's how that game is
> > played. We spy all the time too. Not sure that's such a good thing, but are
> > there alternatives? Dunno.
Eheheh, we had a little problem with our spies here... and now we have none.
One of our Ministers decided all spies should be known to the public! You
can guess the result, and the PM's reaction. ("(Name) Sacked at hh:mm,
dd/mm/yyyy" was the brief Memo to the press :-)
Spying is good. It brings us Bond movies.
> > 1 - as well as North Korea, who are much much higher on the list, if there
> > is an ordering. Anybody trying for WMD for no real reason makes my personal
> > list (and that includes India and Pakistan too, I suppose, although that
> > begs the question of why it's OK for us to have them and not India).
Yes, indeed. That is why Einstein asked for the bomb NOT to be used. Of
course, it was rather handy in 1962 to have both sides of the Iron Curtain
fearful to use their WMD... I prefer to speak English instead of Russian!
:-P
I fear NK as well... the people are completely kept in the ignorance of what
goes on outside the country. And even inside. Well, they are kept in the
ignorance AND famine. Or better still, they AREN'T kept alive at all -
survival is the word for it. Nasty Kim! >:-O
Pedro
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