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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl mentioned: (...) Side rant, triggered by Tom's casual example, but not having much relevance to the current thread (hey, this is .o-t): As I understand, there used to be prejudice against left-handed people. (...) (25 years ago, 18-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, the proper justification for the *right* people have to go around saying things that they know are going to offend people (at least in America), is that we have a constitutional right to do so (with certain limitations, see my other post). (...) (25 years ago, 17-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe how Voltaire said it, which is as far from political correctness as I think you can get. "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." To me, this allows that racism and bigotry (...) (25 years ago, 17-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) seeing (...) Point taken, that isn't the greatest construct, is it? Can you offer a rewrite that conveys the desired meaning (there may be things that you find offensive out there, and if you encounter them, you might indeed be offended by (...) (25 years ago, 17-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) He-hee! I think I misread this the first time you mentioned it, and I was really confused. I thought: "Gee, I'm 'not offended' many times a day--I'd hate for someone to take that away from me!" **grammar geek warning*** I suppose I was failing (...) (25 years ago, 17-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm.. you raise an interesting dilemma. I've never considered myself PC. Far from it, in fact. Yet I dislike use of certain words. How to reconcile it? The PC crowd wants to prevent use of them dejure, or so it seems to me. I merely ask that (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It may be small beer, but after more than a decade of PC crap, you can still drown in it. I thought we had mostly gotten past the PC Cop stage in the world in general. One place I did not expect to see it, nor WANT to see it, was on Lugnet. Lugnet (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Hell in a handbasket" - sorry, there is no way in HECK I am going to censor that phrase, as it is a widely known phrase that really loses most of its' meaning as "heck (or Heavenly Challenged for you PC Dorks) in a handbasket". I'm sorry, but there (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher Weeks wrote in message ... (...) Even (...) there. (...) are (...) a (...) practical (...) On (...) up (...) of (...) or (...) as (...) American (...) somewhat (...) the (...) I agree with the above. For 99.9999% of parents out there, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. I should have said responsible instead of liable, as responsible is what I meant. (...) Gosh I hope not! It is hard to tell when one personally is getting a pass, or when one's close friends are (one's judgement is clouded a bit). Can (...) (25 years ago, 16-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) expect (...) I want to point out that liability, in a legal sense, and responsibility in a pseudo-philosophical sense are different things. I agree that for practical reasons parents can't be held liable for actions of their adult children. On (...) (25 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: [snip] (...) even (...) slur. It was originally a slur, but it isn't now. Now it has just become a part of our language. It had never occurred to me that it was a slur before this came up. (...) (25 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, that's an interesting angle. I'm not sure I have any pat answer there. What liability do parents have for their children's actions? After they are adults, most would say not much. But while they are kids? I dunno. (...) All of the above, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I did too. :) I'm a very un-uptight (downtight?) person, so it was surprising to see such a visceral indictment of a post I made in a completely neutral mood--I think (and correct me on this if I'm wrong) that Tom believed I was (...) (25 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the record, I got a chuckle out of Tom's post. (...) Knowing how kids (adolescents, really) are, isn't raising kids in an environment where racisim is embraced really the same as advocating the initiation of force? I think that parents who (...) (25 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just because the world's going to hell in a handcart doesn't give you the right to push it faster. (...) Actually, the most of the world's population have more important things to worry about than being offended. Things like having enough (...) (25 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa there... Here's my take, not like anyone cares... :-) No one has a right not to be offended. If someone chooses to use language that is bigoted or demonstrates prejudice, as long as that person is not advocating the initiation of force, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) of (...) From : (URL) I found: Gyp A college servant, whose office is that of a gentleman's valet, waiting on two or more collegians in the University of Cambridge. He differs from a bed-maker, inasmuch as he does not make beds; but he runs (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) a (...) you (...) I'd (...) didn't (...) clearly (...) People (...) used (...) Jewish (a (...) exploded (...) Apparently all too easily - Encarta's on-line dictionary only notes the word gyp "possibly" comes from gypsy (though it seems likely (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I AM going to say it - you're too damned uptight. The world is going to hell in a handbasket, and part of it is everybody whining about something, and people having to watch every word they say. GYP GYP GYP. I say it all the time. I don't give (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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