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(...) Agree! I set up the example to intentionally sound like the type of government that we would be more anxious to call "censoring". Arguably, I could've done without the lengthy applications and fingerprinting and such, and I would *still* call (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, that's pretty good. In essence, omission is not censorship; restriction is. That works at least in the public arena, but it still doesn't apply IMO to a private forum. Still, it's a good rule of thumb. Dave! (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think that you misread me. I was referring to such an outlet that does allege that responsibility. I'm not referring to news outlets in general, which may or may not allege responsibility. Those seem to be two very different cases. (...) (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) On the contrary, people have said it is bad. Describing something as "Orwellian" is making a judgment call about it- "Orwellian" is not good. And Todd's coining of the term was because he felt this particular solution had never been developed (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) From what (and how) I've read no-one has claimed that murfling is eroding anyone's rights. They have claimed that the term is a euphemistic way of saying censored and that the use of euphemism is bad (at least from my reading). From your (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Censorship implies a bit more active restriction, I think. Censorship of the news would be when a party involved in delivering the news attempts to delivery a particular piece of news but is denied by their editor, manager, network, the FCC, (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually it doesn't have any such responsibility. It may be prudent to broadcast unaltered information (although it usually isn't, political slant is a good way to differentiate yourself from your competitors) but I'm willing to bet that if (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Todd coined it. Altho it has since become a "bad" word, he intended it to sound a little silly. The rest of the admins loved it, expecting that the community would accept it as a compromise between no cursing and free speech. It still amazes (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: -snip- (...) I like your example. It provides a descent example of how restricting access, but not denying access, can be censorship. (...) What bothers me about your example is the accumulation of (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. It comes back to the TOS. I can dig up the link if you'd like, but a year or so ago there was a big discussion regarding someone's ouster from Bricklink for violating the TOS of that site. Great was the outcry on his behalf, though I (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For these purposes I think that censorship refers to an action taken contrary to the wishes of the person supplying the content. A discussion of news outlets necessarily expands the debate beyond LUGNET and similar websites, such as the (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--snip-- (...) I think this hits the nail firmly on the head. Censorship is most definitely not always a bad thing. Child pornography is, and should be, censored in almost every country in the world. Ones anti-virus email filter censors ones email (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It depends largely on their reasons for doing it. If it is to purposefully bias the news (eg. render something not-true through omission) then it is censorship. But as I said it's not the best analogy. Tim (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Disagree, especially in the event that the enforcement is on subjective issues. For example, Lugnet's TOS specifies that you shouldn't post that which is "profane" or "vulgar". Let's say the administration deems the word "evolution" as (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Every news show leaves out bits of news. Is all news censored? Every library excludes some books. Is that censorship? Tim (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Does that apply to pay-to-view television channels too? If they purposefully leave out bits of news is it not censorship? I agree it's not the best analogy but the private=noncensored argument is a dangerous one. (...) Why not? Is it not (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You obviously miss my point. I'm not arguing that my interpretation is the correct interpretation, merely that I can construct an interpretation of Genesis that disagrees with the facts as we know (insofar as we know anything) them. (...) If (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, maybe if you're taking a totally uncritical look at it. As far as current scientific understanding goes, the process didn't unfold by having the Earth and seas and vegetation precede the formation of the Sun and Moon. Sure, we can blame (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Where I come from, critical thinking requires actual thinking, not dogmatic obedience. Sadly, dogmatic obedience is not dying in this country. Citing mythos as fact and expecting to be taken seriously is not critical thinking. (...) To the (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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When a privately-owned website enforces the TOS to which posters have explicitly agreed, that's not censorship. If it results in posts being deleted, hidden, altered, or flagged in some way, it still isn't censorship. Alternatively, if it is (...) (18 years ago, 13-Apr-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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