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(...) Are you suggesting the Kulaks, Chechnyans and Poles have been the victims of genocide? That would be a massive expansion to the definition of genocide. Again you snip out my point about American atrocities. Tell me the difference between (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would imagine it's hurtful to the Jews that survived the camps, as well as Jews in general. But I guess I really don't know. You seem to know what is and isn't hurtful 3o:) This is an emoticon of me teabagging you. It doesn't hurt anyone... (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not actually what he said, that's what you're inferring. (...) Yeah Lenny, lighten up. Samuel can give you funny lessons while wearing his rainbow swastika suspenders and hammer & sickle clown shoes. (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Correct. The question specifically stated "act". Samuel is framing my answer with what he thought, not what he wrote. (...) I choose not to. You can split hairs all you like, but a symbol represents something. In this case, it represents the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think it's a cross between hatred of the cheesecake "O, confection! What hast thou wrought upon my stomach!" and self-hatred "O, weak man! What hast thou wrought upon thyself?" Either way, it descends from the initial love. (...) WHY DON'T (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So it's not as bad if you stretch out your genocidal activities over a few decades rather than just one? And I'm sure a few ethnicities within the former Soviet Union may disagree that they committed "political" crimes. Like the Kulaks, the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, but at whom is the hate directed? The cheesecake (which you love), or yourself (for spoiling the wonderful love relationship between you and the cheesecake), or God, who created such a perfect confection that, inexplicably, is not good for (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So basically you're saying Ross is a hypocrite? Well, I'm a hypocrite and so are you, Larry, and everyone else in the world. The person who says they've never been hypocritical is not only a hypocrite but a liar as well. The world would be (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty simple - if it doesn't hurt anyone to make a statement, it should be protected. But if we start restricting things because it upsets someone, we're starting down a slippery slope. Offensive speech is the only type that really needs (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) argument/question. But then, isn't it possible for Ross to deny that he made snide comments at all? Although I suspect that would be a pretty bold denial, since Ross does make snide comments all the time. I guess my point is that its a bit (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Its called a Loaded Question, a type of fallacious argument. A question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition[1]. In your case the presupposition is that ROSCO's comments are snide. Ross in turn countered with the classic (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, no he isn't. You are. You said "should we restrict someone's right to ACT like a jerk if they want to?" "Act" generally means action, not speech. (...) I'm not sure Nick is advocating the legal restriction of speech in any respect. (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There is an old saying that I enjoy: "The opposite of love is not hate, it is apathy." What love and hate have in common is that are a deeply passionate caring about someone else. "Caring" in the sense of concern/wonder about what happens to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You don't see a difference between a coordinated effort to complete destroy a race of people vs. a criminal justice system gone horribly wrong? Stalin had almost 30 years to kill roughly 20 million Russians - most of whom were killed in Gulags (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How about this: I love cheesecake, but after I eat an entire one in a single sitting, my love is perverted into hate. Somehow I think that Mr. Hoffman was driving at a different point, though... Dave! (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, now that is an interesting take. Care to expound? JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is an interesting point of view here Bruce. Although I am not religious and I don't see things in terms of good/evil and sin. Nazism being based on hate is not doing evil for evil's sake. Within your metaphor, the hate of Nazism is to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe I'm slow, but I'm not following here. What does this even mean? (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hehehehe, nice! ~Kevoh (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Colorful language, albeit in acro form, should stay there, too. JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Thanks, man. Curse the lack of the edit button. A (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) WTF man... you forgot the footnote: (1) Pastiche skillz used on JLUG, should stay on JLUG. Legoswami (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This post, however, is pure comedy gold. Spotlighted. ROSCO (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don’t think this is funny. The photohopping is amatuerish and non-humorous. The background isn’t very striking, nor is it funny either. The description is pretty plain, and not funny. The only thing at all amusing is the shock factor, but (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !
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(...) I'd rate your skill at searching for phrases above lar's at searching for contests. ROSCO (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: . (...) I don't know about any nysterious contest, figurative or otherwise, that is being referred to here, but perhaps this will help. (URL) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for that. I was including the term 'entry' in my search IIRC. (...) If that's what you meant, then that's what you should have said. Thanks for the feedback though. Perhaps you could provide some constructive criticism of it's (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) going to win any prizes) 813 hits. (URL) going to win the contest) 57 hits. Note that some (but not all) actually do refer to actual contests though... Something along those lines is what I had in mind. I'll happily admit I didn't type (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is it? It's certainly not a common one. Googling the phrase yields nothing, but that might just be reflecting my lack of googling skills. Perhaps you could point some uses of that 'turn of phrase' prior to your using it in this thread? Perhaps (...) (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.space, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha! A likely story, especially considering this picture, recently declassified by NASA! (URL) What say you to this? ~Kevoh (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !
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(...) OK, then i guess: Miss Scarlet commited the crime in the Library with the Candlestick? no WAIT.... ummmm i mean Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with the Revolver? Chris (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) LOL Lenny, have you stopped beating children senseless?????? ROSCO (19 years ago, 10-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me clear this up then (and I will post a fuller explanation/exposition of my position later): I am not a space nazi. I am not a neo-nazi. I am not any other sort of nazi. And just to avoid any confusion: I am not a french sailor from the (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My bad, I should have said murdered. Soviet murder vs. Nazi murder I don't se as much different. (...) And I disagree - it's raised a nice discussion, for one thing. This isn't obsenity. Offensive to some, sure, but that is what life is all (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You're confusing speech with action. Wearing a swastika= speech. Murdering millions = action. Advocating slavery = speech, enslaving people = action. HUGE difference. (...) Again, a symbol is speech, not an action. And I'm using a few extreme (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree with that. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. But that's not the same as saying "it's ok". (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Samuel Morrison wrote: (...) Lenny wrote: (...) I would actually disagree. Sorry to go off on a theological tangent here, but I believe that no human does evil for the sake of evil (does Satan? hmm, still not sure), but rather for the sake of (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Who decides what is appropriate? You? (...) Right, so let's force them all into extermination camps. Not the same issue. (...) If in the course of being a jerk, you earmark a minority group of humans for death, we should restrict it. Should we (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I prefer it when extremist hate groups say really stupid things in public. It shows the rest of society what they really believe. Forcing groups like this undgerground is just ignoring the issue. Jeff (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not arguing that Nazism is only hate - but that is based on hate. And yes, it does matter, to me. The people who killed thousands fighting the Nazis do not bear the same responcibility as the those who killed innocents for no reason except (...) (19 years ago, 9-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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