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(...) Careful with financial assessments of the costs of the war. Generally they tally what was spent by the government, not the cost. What of the externalised costs borne by others? The value of the lost American lives (the cost of which is borne (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Tiny? Really? Ok, what would "free university tuition" cost per household? What would the benefits be? Compare that to this war. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You can rewrite history all you want but your adminisgtration *did* start this war--The US invaded Iraq. Iraq being a sovereign nation at the time that made no direct threats towards the US, no matter what the US administration wanted the (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Beg pardon? The war in Iraq? Dubya absolutely did begin that war, and he is directly and personally responsible for every death and injury resulting from it. (...) If the quagmire lasts as long as it is likely to last, then those minors are (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why is that my task? I'm not asserting that your claim is false but rather that your assertions don't support it. (...) That, too, may be a matter of perspective. If your claim is that Moore is not factual, then you must document his (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Leahy could induce even the Pope to curse;-) JOHN (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) They are a part of it only insofar as we have started to fight back. We did not begin this war. (...) Perhaps, but minors are not those people. JOHN (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, I've got the impression that if 3400 USD worth of LEGO suddenly appeared in your basement, you might not even notice. I'm insanely jealous, by the way. ;^) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, but is this war, on balance, worth more to me than a month of private schooling? I'm not sure. Both of these things have very hard to measure benefits. I'd suggest we compare against 3400 USD worth of LEGO (where the benefits are (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doesn't sound right. That figure is tiny compared to some of the ideas proposed here, such as free university tuition. I think you could only get about a month of schooling at a private university for that price. (You can't compare to tuition (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd agree with this, it's not in contention. (since I am one of the members of the set of people you describe) (...) Fair enough. I took your meaning as: "to be taken seriously by others" which I think is a reasonable meaning to have taken, (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here's the bit in question, if I'm reading you correctly: Stop by the website of the American Nationalist Union if you want to see some serious, non-Democrat criticism of Dubya. My use of "serious" in this context coincides with (URL) this (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I misunderstood what you meant by "serious" then, or you misused the word. (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK, The support needed is rather different, though. You need to support with logic that my characterisations of Moore somehow falsify what I said.\ I need to support by showing that Moore isn't factual, and that his assertions don't follow (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Hot off the presses!> Our Copresident seems to embrace a colorful rhetorical style that could cause he Congressional record to lose its "PG" rating. I wonder--will Cheney be forced by the FCC to pay an unreasonably huge fine because of (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, I see. Sorry. I thought you meant that the group opposed the airing of the film itself, rather than the commercials advertising for the film. I'll need to think about that. (...) Moore's actions may collaterally support Kerry, but Moore (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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If the cost is (URL) $3,400> per household, what is the value of the benefits? Scott A (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I enjoyed (URL) this> about the same group. Scott A (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Heh. No--I only found the site at all because some well-meaning activist left a copy of the organization's newsletter on my windshield, and I was so horrified by the xenophobia and isolationism that I couldn't resist visiting the site itself. (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because the willful choice not to support your argument is indistinguishable from forfeiting the argument, I accept this as your forfeiture. If it is not your intent to forfeit, then I invite you to support your argument, as you have demanded (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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