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(...) (rereading what I wrote) Nope, didn't say that. They all (...) Allegedly. Maybe. Maybe not. If they were, two years held without charges? Those in charge are incompetent or evil. Take your pick, we need to get rid of them either way. When I (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There are so many different legal issues-- definitions of POWs and of being "at war" and the Geneva Convention and whatnot. It's lawyer stuff and I really try to avoid it. That doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who aren't on up (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No wonder I didn't get it. I would never have thought that I needed a moral justification for freeing myself from 'evil oppression'. I'll think on this some more. (snip) (...) I am not sure that there is a useful difference between the concept (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First off, let's not assume that those detained are "innocent". They all were captured fighting against our forces. When I said "all of the facts aren't in", I meant that I didn't possess all of the facts in order to comment-- and neither does (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You have summed up the problem without realizing it, I think. If, for example, an administration wanted to quiet someone, all they have to do is throw them in the Gulag (I like Richard's appraisal of what it is) and simply refuse to divulge (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmmm. Brevity being the soul of wit etc. 'namby-pamby PC touchy-feely' is a collection of adjectives I seldom encounter in relation to myself (I think if I was John I'd be offended ;-), and its not like the additional detail is helping very (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Richard was talking about the "givens" that they have been held for up to 2 years without being charged, in the name of "security". Something that the administration would frown upon in the name of freedom. (...) Women, pregnant women, (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) hehe You are so predictable! (...) Try (URL) this> viewpoint! :-) JOHN (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snippage) (...) First, I think we all can agree that no nation is perfect, including the US. That said, I am reticent about commenting on Guantanamo because I don't believe that enough facts are about the interned are readily available. I (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) De plane, boss, de plane! De fence, boss, de fence! Oh, sorry, defense. Ummmmmmmm, okay, maybe if I knew what I was supposed to be defending. Perhaps if I read on and not pick on a minor error... :-) (...) I find something ironic in that (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You know, I had kinda hoped that someone other than John might have spoken up in defence here. Perhaps that they have not is a very good sign. This post is longish, and I do apologise. I don't normally wax quite so lyrical, but it is a deep and (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps our history has given us additional insights into the importance of freedom, and the lengths one might be prepared to go for it. Not to suggest our thinking is necessarily better, perhaps just a little different ;-) Richard Still (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Prove it. (...) So, apparently, does "gentleman's" war, if it's a useful objective. ROSCO (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Er-hem. I know what you are trying to get at, I'm just trying to point out that your examples aren't exactly the best for doing that (and mostly just to give you are hard time for humor's sake). In your example above, all that's true, but it's (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's my amazing prose, of course. (...) I don't know that it's two steps back. I can accept that Luke, Matthew, John, and Mark are separate authors of the Gospels, just as I accept that, say, HP Lovecraft and August Derleth are separate (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't have time for your endless tangentalizing-- as if I am obligated to comment on every new topic you toss out in the form of a 6 word question. JOHN (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I didn't say that I thought they were right, or wrong, just that I was amazed at your example. (...) Freudian equivalent of a banana peel? (...) So, within the universe of the Bible, Luke, Matthew, John, and Mark are sufficiently separate (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Show me how that analogy is relevant. (...) Get a dictionary, and see what "condone" actually means. Then look up "cluster bomb"... a weapon of indiscriminate destruction. You are a (...) Did I say civilians were targets at any point? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is not me that is making the claim. (...) Hardly a credible objective viewpoint! (URL) About> the same pet group: "Some U.S. officials see Iran as a target for regime change and have suggested using the Mujahedin-e Khalq as a vehicle for (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Since they cannot be verified as independent sources and can instead be shown to borrow heavily from one another (in a manner quite similar to the process of editorial revisions of a single work), they cannot, to my satisfaction, be regarded (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ummmmmm, where are you going with this? You ironically note that quoting yourself as a source is dubious by itself, but with Todd, Tim, and Jake providing corroborating evidence, you are at least more credible. But in the next breath you (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Much in the same way Stalin was our "friend" during WWII. (...) Yeah, and when did you stop beating your wife, Scott? I do not condone the killing of Iraqi children; I mourn the killing of Iraqi children. You are a jerk for saying so. Iraqi (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do your own Google Search. I found this for starters: (URL) JOHN (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SH only became a "problem" after he invaded Q8... i.e. he was America's friend when he perpetrated many of his worst crimes. (...) Tell that to the ANC & IRA. BTW: which terrorist groups have been beaten with force? (...) Indeed! (...) You (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No. Can you show me how that analogy is valid? (...) Arafat has long recognised Israel. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm asking you which terrorist groups he supported which made him a threat to the USA. Scott A (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But see, there's the problem. On what basis can one assess someone's actions to be following or not following Jesus? Unfortunately, the Gospels don't qualify as adequately impartial accounts of his life, death, life, or teachings, so we'd need (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If you have a point, make it. I don't have time for 20 questions. JOHN (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would you compare the Civil Rights Movement of the 60's in the US to the Intifada today? Which group has progressed further-- Blacks or Palestinians? Why is that? Because Palestinian leaders like Arafat are not concerned with the freedom of (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No answer John? (...) No answer John? Scott A (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) see here> (...) So why corner him? (...) Tell that to those who died on USS Cole & in Kenya. Scott A Have you had a look at Arthurs Seat Yet? (2 URLs) (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ducking for cover as the opposition has a field day with this... -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Loving Freedom" doesn't mean "Loving Freedom for me". Denying others' rights to win your own hardly qualifies someone as a "freedom lover"-- more like a disgusting hypocrite. (...) Oppression never justifies the murder of innocents. What is (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Show me specifically where I said that their comments were politically motivated. I think I specifically said that a) they weren't speaking as Christian leaders, because they have no authority (that I recognize anyway) to speak on behalf of (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well they are a bunch of convicts! ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, great--now Australians hate freedom, too... Dave! (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richard explians all: (URL) A (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I do. But you now say "I wouldn't have any idea as to their motivations" (...) It is you who said they were politically motivated, and now say "I wouldn't have any idea as to their motivations"! (...) I'm just not clear on what the threat was. (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now THERE is a peculiarly American point of view. On the basis that terrorists are those who forsake non-violent means of change, and violently target combatants and non-combatants alike to coerce changes in state policy, I'd have thought that (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol What are you talking about?? I thought you wanted to know if church leaders' comments were politically motivated? To which political comment of mine are you referring? As far as your question about church leaders' motivation-- I already (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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