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(...) And we're back to appealing to what's going on in *other* countries and in other times. In *America*, *today*, your gun in your house does *nothing* to preserve your freedom. Your gun in your house takes away the freedom of your fellow (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure you've shown that, actually. Note please that I am not asserting that (for example) the US is not a socialist state, for it is... I'm merely talking about the general case. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The point is that we don't live the same way today as we did in '76. And we don't live in the civil war era. And, again, both condtions were war-time scenarios, and, again, both times there were armies involved. THe civil war was the army of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli wrote: <snip> (...) I've been addressing it from the beginning--An armed citizenry is not needed I've talked with my local MPP, I've spoken with other politicians at various levels of political power (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is a false argument; there is no country which is "free in all senses of the word". Just like there is no country which is completely socialist or completely free market. (...) I agree; the centre-left approach to life in Norway, Sweden (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Kennedy's 'Texas' remark stirs GOP reaction (URL) He said Bush officials had failed to account for $1.5 billion of the $4 billion the war costs each month, citing a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office. "My belief is this money is being (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In what way are people in more socialist countries less free than ourselves, Lar? We are progressively taxed, we have social programs, etc. I'm not seeing the big difference. We pay the same but get far less for our $$$. I hate to say it, but (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But a world with complete (personal) freedom can't exist because the more freedom you get the nearer anarchy you get and then you lose the freedom because another persons 'freedom' impinges on yours. To my mind a county like Denmark (which has (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure they are. Show me a socialist country where you are free, in all senses of the word. (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is this thread called Liberty vs Socialism? Liberty and socialism aren't opposites anyway Tim (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not going to comment on the law but I can't see any reason to not wear the seatbelt if its there. I put it on automatically and I dont even notice it. Wearing a seatbelt in the back seat it in my opinion even more important as you can (...) (21 years ago, 19-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way have you refuted every argument. This point you have about guns no longer serving a military use seems entirely specious. So specious that I think most people reading it are thinking to themselves, "Ugh, why bother trying to argue (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that's because I try to vote for people I won't have to shoot! Of course, having a peaceful alternative to shooting is always an advantage (if we can recall Davis, why not Bush! is my battlecry). :-) (...) Wrong - though perhaps you a (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed! Though if you tax the corporations excessively, they'll whine and complain and take their business to China where the labour is cheap and the environmental protection is negligible! Ad to add insult to injury, sell the products back (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL. Nice. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A coworker once penned a letter of explanation to a client whose account had suffered an error in processing. My coworker wrote thus: "I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused you." Dave! (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh! (...) No that was my mistake. Narf. :-) (...) -Mike Petrucelli (semi-spilling-illiterate, not really ashamed of it though.) P.S. 'Spelling' spelled 'spilling' is from a letter read in my 8th grade English class from the early 1800s written (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You need to establish that - over the course of this and other threads you have repeatedly refered to the 1776 date as if that was the extent of people throwing off their governemtn in this country, and I have on more than one occassion (and (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think attempted suicide is illegal here in Canada. Suicide can't have the same type of law 'cause if you're successful, well then you're dead and can't be there for a trial. I've been around for 36ish years and I've talked with many (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet you still have not addressed the post linked above. Throughout history there has never been a democracy where the citizenry was unarmed. Even in Canada, Britian, and Austrailia you still have armed citizenries. Nixion left office, my (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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