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(...) Then ban cigarettes. Ban foods that are bad for you. Ban autos until they don't put toxics in the air. Shut down Stelco and Dofasco. To single out seatbelts because of what we have to pay in health care is hypocritical. And if i hurt/kill (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well using the stats from here: (URL) 11,071 divided by 275,264,999 equals 4.0219425E-5 or 0.000040219425 (...) 1,100 divided by 275,264,999 equals 3.9961492E-6 or 0.0000039961492 And for the record, I trust that 0.000004 percent of the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I belive the actuall number you wanted was 11,071. The other 16,586 are suicides. So you are slightly more likely to commit suicide with a gun than get shot by one. Regardless suicides only affect those that pull the trigger much like the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In some parts of the world, the compensation for people severly injured in car accidents, are paid by the social security or the insurance industry, or a combination. In these cases, it is hardly fair to the community that they have to pay for (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: Massive ka-snip! (...) Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. -->Bruce<-- (but then again, those that don't adapt to changing conditions are destined for extinction) :-) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If I'm reading your statistics right, then I think the actual figure is 0.004 percent. I selected only homicide-related firearm deaths, yielding a total of 10,801, which represents 0.0039 percent. If my calculation is wrong, someone please (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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After a long absense, she finally got around to posting a few more articles. (and I couldn't be happier) (URL) for the faint of heart--language is on par with AA movies. If you're really in a particular jaunty mood, see what she said in her latest (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've never liked seat belt laws. It is fundamentally, a persona choice whether to buckle up or not. I say "Darwin, go to it!"--I'll wear my seatbelt because I want to, not because some law makes me. ANd od someone doesn't buckle up, that's (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 25,000 violent deaths per year due to firearms is not a 'rampant problem'? 68 deaths a day 3 per hour. In the time it took us to write back and forth, say 3 hours, 9 people have died. 9 people whos violent "non accidental" deaths could have (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Now here is a really good article: (URL) of posting it refers to the September 10th article titled "Click it or Ticket" will likely soon be moved to here: (URL) Petrucelli (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well lets see... According to that site only 0.00004 percent of people decide to abuse freedom by killing others with guns. And only 0.00006 percent of people decide to kill themselves with guns. So in the "supposedly freeest society" only (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Still not seeing it. Let's take the general (moral position) case here for a sec. Consider if the government said in a policy statement "we prefer if people pay their debts rather than dodge their creitors". That's a moral statement. Does the (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) However, having the gov't making a 'judgement' about where your tax dollars go based, as far as I can see, only on a 'Christian moral value', therefore excluding other groups who don't (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was with you (abstinence education as the sole path is a terrifically stupid approach) till this last bit, how's this a first amendment violation again? Free speech isn't free, remember, you the speaker have to pay for it. There is no (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is that? What in your society, supposedly the freeest society on the planet, causes you to kill each other more often, per capita, than any other country in the world during peace time? I'll go so far as to grant you the premise that if (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) the terms of the multi-million-dollar fund which have been made available under President Bush for abstinence education, schools and groups can only claim federal money for sex education programmes if the classes have as their "exclusive (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Go there now, tell your friends, spam your enemies. Yeah, yeah -- we'll just end up with another problem with our V.P. but I still think it sends a message. Besides, it's funny. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So what? All you've done is show that people are smart enough to use the best tool for a certain task -- if you intend to kill someone a gun is a good choice for that job. In a sense, if you could eliminate a person's motivation to kill you (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) What a fascinating site. Here's a few figures-- 1. What was tthe intent or manner of the injury? -violence-related 2. What was the cause or mechanism of the injury? -all (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I always see the term "gun related deaths" used when I see these kinds of statistics. I have no idea whether there's a criminal factor in the assessment of the deaths at all -- frankly, why should there be? I think its possible that you are (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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