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Re: Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder...
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Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:10:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3117108.stm
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> Under the terms of the multi-million-dollar fund which have been made available
> under President Bush for abstinence education, schools and groups can only claim
> federal money for sex education programmes if the classes have as their
> "exclusive purpose" the promotion of abstinence.
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> They must make clear that sexual activity outside of marriage is harmful, both
> mentally and physically. If contraception is mentioned, it must only be in the
> context of its fallibility.
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> Sex outside of marriage is harmful? I'm a Christian and I don't believe that.
> Not knowing the ramifications of having sex before marriage is harmful. So the
> way to prevent harm is, what? Oh right--education. But let's not educate the
> kids--let's instead force some sort of dogma into their heads so they won't know
> the consequences of their actions should they consider partaking in 'hanky
> panky' or even how to best protect themselves.
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> "Their [classes on sex ed] exclusive purpose" is to preach abstinence or they
> don't get funding. I'd say this goes against the first ammendment--curtailing
> free speech for those that don't 'tote the party line'. The gov't cannot make
> that moral judgement--"you either talk about abstinence exclusively or you don't
> get money!"
I was with you (abstinence education as the sole path is a terrifically stupid
approach) till this last bit, how's this a first amendment violation again? Free
speech isn't free, remember, you the speaker have to pay for it. There is no
obligation for the state to fund particular sorts of speech.
It might be a violation of the equal protection clause, or the freedom of
religion (no law respecting...) clause... I haven't analysed it in enough detail
to assert that, just tossing it out.
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) However, having the gov't making a 'judgement' about where your tax dollars go based, as far as I can see, only on a 'Christian moral value', therefore excluding other groups who don't (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (URL) the terms of the multi-million-dollar fund which have been made available under President Bush for abstinence education, schools and groups can only claim federal money for sex education programmes if the classes have as their "exclusive (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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