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Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:48:34 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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60 percent of the violent deaths in your country in the year 2000, according
to this website were due to *just* firearms. That leaves 40 percent for all
other forms of violent death combined, including knives, axes, rope,
baseball bats, and let’s not ferget driving over spouses with vehicles.
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So what?
All you’ve done is show that people are smart enough to use the best tool for
a certain task -- if you intend to kill someone a gun is a good choice for
that job. In a sense, if you could eliminate a person’s motivation to kill
you would reduce the murder rate, regardless of the advent of guns. Sadly,
people do like to kill themselves and each other.
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Why is that? What in your society, supposedly the freeest society on the
planet, causes you to kill each other more often, per capita, than any other
country in the world during peace time? I’ll go so far as to grant you the
premise that if you can change your fellow ‘Merican’s mindset about killing each
other, then by all means, keep the gun in your house. But that’s not going to
happen--you’re not going to change your fellow citizens minds, especially when
you have high ideals like ‘outta my cold dead hands’ and ‘lead in the brain’ as
your mantras. So get the objects that cause the harm, and, hopefully, the
mindset will change. If you don’t have access to cigarettes, you can’t smoke
‘em. And if you can’t smoke ‘em, you can’t die because of ‘em.
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What about the traffic? Why does the fact that it’s largely accidental not
cause you any worries? I mean, I did mean it as a joke but it does have it’s
serious side.
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I would say that all the difference in the world lies between the concept of
“Accident” and “Violent homicide” and if you can’t distinguish between those two
happenings, then you’ve lost any credibility you’ve had left.
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BTW, how many people die of firearm incidents that might have otherwise have
been non-lethal but for the absense of a national healthcare system and/or
adequately speedy medical treatment for the victim? I find that an
interesting question. I am trying to distinguish people that are dead on the
spot from those that die of some other complication even if it’s just
bleeding to death.
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And I could point to a few countries that have national helth care systems and
such, that, for all intents and purposes, are getting along pretty well--but
that’s another mind-shift that Americans won’t grasp--socialist ideas do not
automatically imply ‘communism’.
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If I were to ever kill someone, which generally would never happen unless I
was somehow forced to it, I would go for the incapacitating chest shot and
then the many shots to lethal locations like the head and heart. Efficiency
is my middle name...
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I’d say is ‘gun-toting-yahoo’ with the ‘incapacitating chest shot, then the many
shots to lethal locations’, but that’s just me.
Dave K
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| (...) Well lets see... According to that site only 0.00004 percent of people decide to abuse freedom by killing others with guns. And only 0.00006 percent of people decide to kill themselves with guns. So in the "supposedly freeest society" only (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) So what? All you've done is show that people are smart enough to use the best tool for a certain task -- if you intend to kill someone a gun is a good choice for that job. In a sense, if you could eliminate a person's motivation to kill you (...) (21 years ago, 18-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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